Ironman conundrum continued - goal setting style

I mentioned in the ironman Conundrum thread that that i had done some research (with some colleagues) on goal setting, dysphoria (fancy word for depression and is the opposite of euphoria) and triathlon performance. A reader has asked for more info on the study…fortunately it is published on the WWW and can be found here: http://www.athleticinsight.com/Vol4Iss2/TriathleteAnxiety.htm

The results are nothing too surprising - athletes who engage in conditional goal setting (i’ll be happy when I go sub 11 hrs at ironman) are more likely to be dysphoric (grumpy and shitty) after the race than an athlete who is not…consider also that only 25% of athletes got their goal time and you can see that we might possibly have many cranky athletes after a triathlon…one way to avoid this is to be realistic/ conservative about the goal times you set for yourself…

This is interesting and somewhat un-understandable to me. I once passed a friend at IMH at mile 17 who was really doing OK, but crying. I ask what’s wrong and get that they are have a bad day, as in race time. My goodness I thought - to be healthy, active, and being able to enjoy the Cathedral of nature ought to be more than enough for a great day, even if you wanted to go faster. It amazes me how many folks have a “bad day” doing something they like to do that is completely voluntary. Just do your best on a given day and then smile!

Below is my post IMC article from last year that describes a bit of how I feel:

Ironman Canada 2002

What We Discover Along the Way

Ever since I started participating in triathlons in1981 I wanted to do an “Ironman.” Now 125 triathlon races later, including 12 Ironman (2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bile, 26.2 mile run) finishes, I believe I am getting closer to the reason “why?” Of course, at first there was the typical “why do you climb a mountain…because it is there” attitude. Or, “Let’s just see how tough I really am…” However once we allow ourselves to move beyond that primal thinking deeper and more fulfilling exploration takes place.

Over the years I have evolved to now believe that there are at least 3 main reasons for such events/participation. These include: 1) displays of unconditional love that are many times missing (or ignored) from our modern world, 2) personal internal exploration into areas not typically revealed or evaluated in everyday life, and 3) the spiritual pureness and simplicity of the wonders of nature.

Having just returned from Ironman Canada, my best memory is not a successful completion of the course, but rather the very striking displays of unconditional love that escorted us all through the day. Although the race is on Sunday, I always “start” on Saturday evening by finding a local church. The Saturday evening Mass at Penticton’s Catholic Church filled the bill. Love to all visitors, mostly triathletes, radiated throughout the service, including the Priest’s message which used the Ironman event as metaphor for community, support, and love.

The small town of Penticton, British Columbia was celebrating its 20th anniversary of staging this Ironman event, the second oldest and largest on the world Ironman circuit. Each year more than 4000 volunteers turn out, many of whom have volunteered for a large number of those 20 years. Why? Sure they get a T-shirt and have some fun, but for 20 years! My only explanation is love for fellow human beings and that the “Ironman” is simply an organized avenue of expression. As the Priest asked, “What would the competitors do without volunteers, and what would the volunteers do without competitors?” This is “community,” “support,” and “unconditional love” exchanged between strangers who have never met and may never see one another again. This display gives a renewed confidence in the goodness of humankind, and the most awesome power of love. What a joy and gift this is to experience!

Most of us have fears that keep us from fully exploring our inner selves. We usually do not fear our limitations - those are known. Rather we fear exploring our furthest abilities - those are unknown. When we take ourselves to our limits, whether it be academics, spirituality, social, parental, and spousal relationships, etc, or in athletics, we are at the same time exposing ourselves to failure, and yet we don’t feel “complete” until we have explored that unknown area. When we do explore, we then develop a peace or calmness that comes from truly knowing who we are, and what we are capable of achieving. When we are tired, hot, hungry, thirsty, scared, and sore and the devil taps us on the shoulder to say it is ok to stop/walk/quit, what do we do and how do we respond? We can either give in and fail to discover our true power, or we can look fear right in the eye, keep putting one foot in front of the other, do what is right, good, and tough. When we persevere we therein find part of ourselves and our true character along the way.

Perhaps the words from Nelson Mandela’s inaugural speech in 1994 describe the power we possess but many times are afraid to obtain: “Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure…There’s nothing enlightening about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It’s not just in some of us, it’s in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.” When we conquer our fears we not only become what we can become, we also give others permission to become what they can become. It’s magical!

Ironman Canada is such a terrific event partly because Penticton is such a wonderful natural setting. I’ve already boasted about the volunteers. There are also spectators cheering until midnight lining the streets all over the course. In addition there is magnificent scenery. This part of Canada, which includes the only Canadian desert, is really quite different from what many might expect. The swim starts the day at dawn at the beach on gorgeous Lake Okanagan with crystal clear and refreshingly cool water. The bike course passes beautiful vineyards, many wineries, and orchards on the way and through the spectacular mountains. The mountains, including a seven mile climb up Richter Pass, include colorful rock walls, valleys, and a canyon. Whenever you put wonderful, kind, loving people amidst the backdrop of the mountains and lakes, you are just about as close to heaven as you can get. The experience becomes spiritual!

What a day! We get to do three of our favorite things - swim, bike, and run - all day (!) with people handing us food and drink. Along the way we get to really experience unconditional love, explore our inner selves, and experience the wonders of nature. Not a bad way to spend a day!

You see this in most sports though. Look at all the people who play golf but spend the entire day cursing every shot. They go out there to have fun but are mad the whole time.

It all depends on how you set the goal. I have goals for every race. I usually have about 3 different goal times, the “I wouldn’t be unhappy time”, the “hard but attainable time”, and the “I’d $hit myself if I hit this time”.

Of course there are races you are going to be disappointed in, I DNF’d IMCDA and I certainly wasn’t happy about it. I still enjoyed the cathedral of nature I just wished it hadn’t kicked me in the pants so hard. My problem goes back to the original thread with poor pacing because I didn’t adapt my goals to the conditions.

What an interestng thread. It confirms that there are a lot of thoughtful (in that, they do a lot of thinking), insightful and cerebral contributors on this forum.

The reasons for doing Ironman are more varied and diverse than are the number of participants. I think there are participants with a healthy, vibrant and vigorous set of motivating factors that bring them to the start line. I am also certain there are individuals with a less charitable, often nearly malicious motivation for participating. They harbor malice toward themselves, their parents, the world in general- they are out to “prove” something. To me all it proves is they will go to any lengths to avoid confronting their real issues.

In the grand scheme of things, and please keep this comment in perspective and don’t get mad at me, Ironman is an utterly absurd and ridiculous, worthless achievement fraught with self-absorption and self grandizing hubris.

However- in the personal scheme of things it can be a beautiful celebration of health, fitness, realization of a lot of very hard work and just plain cool. There is a lot to be said for getting into those final two miles on the run and hearing the crowd screaming your name. I don’t get that anywhere else. Selfishly, yeah, that feels pretty damn awesome. Also, there is something to be said for being in The Big Show. It makes you feel small. That’s cool. I love it.

As for goal setting? efernando said it best, and I couldn;t agree more, that you have to have a plan for the race to have a good experience. Also, your goals have to realistic- a by-product of your plan. It also makes sense to maintain a secondary (and thirdary?) set of goals for when the shit hits the fan. In Ironman as in war, planning is often the first casualty.

And finally, ever see the movie “Gladiator”? There is a scene in the movie where a down-trodden band of enslaved miscreants (including the main character, Maximus)is pressed into service as gladiatorial combatants against their will. They are the lowest dregs of Roman society: The absolute bottom of the food chain. The odds are stacked unequivocably against them, and the sham-battle is rigged to facilitate their slaughter for the demented amusement of the throng of barbaric spectators. Against all odds, and through their own skill, determination and mettle, they emerge victorious. The fickle crowd embraces the former undesireables as the new heros. Director Ridley Scott shot the scene with a camera swirling around the men, the background a blur of mob adoration and riotous celebration. The scene makes you feel as if you are in it. You feel what it is like to win against all odds and impossible oppresion.

If you haven’t it, that is what Ironman is like. As with the scene in the movie, it makes the hair on my arms stand up just thinking about it.

Thanks for the link–interesting.

Regarding unrealistic goal setting: From the perspective of the back third of this years IMC, I saw quite a few miserable folks out there. My race included a very slow (by nearly anybody’s standard) bike split. But I was flying by people while going over 11 min/miles on the run. I trained for the race I had and enjoyed every minute of it. Now I understand things a bit better and will be able to train for a faster race.

Good principles to follow in this and previous TD thread.

That’s so very true,
" amazes me how many folks have a “bad day” doing something they like to do that is completely voluntary"

Admittedly in the days when I was actually competitive (at least in my own mind), I would be seriously grumpy after a bad race. Similarly, I’d go fishing, and get miserable. As I get older I’ve started to figure it out, though. Nowadays I hardly ever have a bad day in anything, though I’m slower than ever and still can’t catch trout…

TS Eliot: ‘Teach us to care and not to care’
Joni Mitchell: ‘to learn how to care/and yet not care’
sums it up for me…

david’s insights here smack of utter brilliance. Excellent. Thank you!

david’s insights here smack of utter brilliance. Excellent. Thank you!
Tom, That means a lot coming from one of my true heros in the sport! Thanks,