Iran - a conversation

The Coffee Shop
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Norman: Hey Gome! Did you see it on the tube last night? The President of Iran claiming he wanted to wipe out Israel and claiming his country as a great supporter of the Jihad cause?

Gomer: Don’t pay no mind to that Norm. Ya oughta know by now all that stuff on CNN, Fox and BBC …it’s just western propoganda. Ya need to look at stations like Al Jazeera to get the uncoloured picture.

Norman: And howsabout that Brit Prime Minister Tony Blair. He looked pretty upset saying that such a country with such attitudes are really a worry especially 'cause they got them nukes?

Gomer: Ya know how it is. Don’t matter whether it’s Tony or George. These days our systems in the West are so bad and corrupt a decent leader can never be elected in. Y’know George and Tony are where they are cuz of how dumb they are. The only way they think they can stay popular is too wage war. That’s all they and their administrations care about. That’s the only reason they attacked Iraq, such a friendly and harmless place that it was.

Norman: Geez you’re so smart Gome, you’ve really got your finger on the pulse.

Gomer: Well y’know Norm you should really learn to pick up on the detailed facts floating around and read beyond what’s simply reported. For instance the information about 9/11 I just mentioned. Yeah and did you know that Asian Tsunami thing that wiped out hundreds of thousands recently? I bet you didn’t know that, that was caused by a seismic experiment carried out intentionally by the US Government intentionally 'cause of some hidden politico agenda they have.

Norman: What about all them bombings going on Gome?

Gomer: Well y’know it’s all the administration’s fault of course. All they need to do is leave these people alone and not try to impose decent human rights issues on them. They’re entitled to think their own way y’know? All our western governments want to do is to cheat these people of all thier oil. If you strain your brain a little, you would realize that these so-called terrorist acts are real good for the adminitration cuz it gives them a fight to fight in front of the American public. It makes them heroes. Our Commander and Chief? Well he’ll gladly sacrifice summore US troops to his cause. Yeah leave these people alone and they’ll learn to become real neighbourly out of pure appreciation.

Norman: Geez Gome like I said you’re really intellectual about such things.

Gomer: Na it’s just a knack. Look around you and you’ll see there are others like me who can read between the lines and fabricate the real truth. Anytime you want to get the real skinny on such things, feel free to have a chat with me. Or go to some internet forums where me and others like me will be airing. We’re just sacrificing ourselves and flapping our gums to keep the administration on their toes. It’s called democracy, excercising constitutional rights and free speech!

Norman: Yeah I guess. Where farts can be heard, I guess it’s just a matter of time before the shit flows.

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Sung to the Beach Boys classic “Barbara Ann”:

“Bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran”

You get the picture, huh?

Buck Turgidson Kahuna

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a) Do you have any idea of the shitstorm that would be created if we bombed Iran right now? Any clue whatsoever? You think such a conflict would be a nicely contained event? It would turn into a regional event that would likely exceed even the ability of the U.S.’ substantial military strength to contain it in any fashion.

b) You’re conception of free speech, or more accurately, what constitutes abuse of free speech borders on McCarthyism. You are basically saying that even if you don’t agree with the Bush approach to terrorism, it’s our(in the general) duty to nevertheless shut up and trust him. Well, what if we don’t trust his judgement or believe he is mistaken in his approach? Your idea of blaming the critics is ludicrous. It’s even more ludicrous to call criticism or questioning his strategy an abuse of free speech. Your view of free speech is that it’s a-ok when you are joining the choruses of praise for your particularly view, but it constitutes abuse when it goes the other way. Please save any responses centering on “what’s at stake” and the like. Everyone knows perfectly well the potential dangers/catastrophes we are facing from a fanatical minority. And like it or not, there are other ways of dealing with it than simply bombing the Middle East into the Stone Age. And it’s perfectly within the bounds of free speech to question the approach, especially when it’s far from self-evident whether the current approach is working. As Bill Walton, ex-basketball player and hippie has said, “Never mistake activity for achievement”.

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Buck,

Beach Boys??? You must be a relic like myself. The challenge for us relics? To train hard and hopwfully we can look half as good and perform half as well as them young bucks. And we need to concentrate on the skills applications to take up the slack in the stamina department. So far I haven’t had to resort to the little blue pill … yet.

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  1. “a) Do you have any idea of the shitstorm that would be created if we bombed Iran right now? Any clue whatsoever? You think such a conflict would be a nicely contained event? It would turn into a regional event that would likely exceed even the ability of the U.S.’ substantial military strength to contain it in any fashion.McLambe couldn’t agree with you more about the consequences in just going to bomb on Iran. However with their nucleur capability and their attitude which is really nothing new coming to the fore perhaps because of the Iraq situation, perhaps, just perhaps we ought to be concerned. My take would be firstly to realize the threat for what it is. Secondly to make it an absolute priority to monitor in detail with whatever resource we have and can employ the situation there. And thirdly when left with no choice the act will have to be a wipe out, taKe no prisoners.”

Obviously this suggestion will create an uproar of distasteful feelings here. But the way I look at it, Iran? That whole place is a concentration of Islamic Fundamentalism. When the nucleur threat is a reality what are we going to do? Let them pull the trigger first simply because it’s impossible to sieve out the innocents? Also a wipe out just may wake up the rest of them fanatical crazies on how serious we are. Then let’s see how serious they’ll be to continue their insatiable appetite to commit terror when they see our commitment to end it. How do you apply human sensitivities to a foe that have none? And they won’t have that capability anymore will they?

Before you scream, “Hey no fair!” I really question how much fairness should we afford to such a foe when left with no option? And all youse sentimentalists or pacifists or sensitivity types with the correct human consience; whose side are you on anyway? Too bad them fellas on the other side aren’t as nice and fuzzy as you folks. Please tell me what other language them Fuzzy guys understand?

Nationalistic fervour can only be outdone by religious fervour. And the Japs never had nucleur or even atomic capabilities.And the general Jap population were truly uninvolved. In contrast our Fuzzy friends show their commonality all dressing up as ninjas and being schooled by just one fundamentalist education system from the time they are old enough to be schooled. They chose collectively that way of life when they deposed the Shah, corrupted as he may have been he still made possible a much more democratic system more intergratable to the rest of humanity. Oh yeah I know Gomer would say we are in no position to judge or impose our will on how to live on others. Fair 'nuff so long as their bad attitude and wierdo ways is contained to their own corner. Oh no, who am I to call others wierdo. That would label me in the worst category of all ie racist! Well is a racist someone who judges others on their actions and behaviour or one that simply doesn’t find others pallatable based on thie looks or skin colour?

  1. As for your free speech and adamance that anyone would even question the value of unbridled mouthings off? Well Norm’s Law of Nature states that too much of a good thing always turns bad! …whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

  2. “Please save any responses centering on “what’s at stake” and the like. Everyone knows perfectly well the potential dangers/catastrophes we are facing from a fanatical minority.”

Please tell me why not mention “what’s at stake” in this conversation. Which other conversation would this be more rellevant? If you truly appreciated what’s at stake, your attitude would not be what it is. Methinks that the comfort and freedoms of democracy and the absolute right of free speech may have soften the heads a weenie bit.

  1. “Everyone knows perfectly well the potential dangers/catastrophes we are facing from a fanatical minority.”

Please tell me why everyone knows that the dangers/catastrophes we are facing come from only a fanatical minority? I was under the impression that this brand of terrorism we are facing has it’s foundation in Islam. I observe that there is no substantial Muslim community in the world where the element of this fanaticism does not exist. I observe that even those ‘moderates’ who live the western lifestyle, as long as they are active worshipers almost without exception sympathise with the sentiments of their fundamentalist brothers. All this leadas me to believe that becoming an active terrorist is just a step across that line for many a Muslim brother. This leads me to believe that although it’s not ‘proper’ to say so, the terror mentality is steeped in the religion and vice versa.

  1. “And like it or not, there are other ways of dealing with it than simply bombing the Middle East into the Stone Age.”

Well not the Middle East obviously. Pushing ststements to the ridiculous is a form of sarcastic debate tactic I guess. But let’s focus on Iran and nucleur capability and good attitude. Let’s say there’s a better than even cghance they’re planning a strike. Please do tell us your better way? I know my way and that doesn’t include creating another Iraqi situation. As you said yourself here, even the USA’s capabilities are limited.

Just one more live example that illustrates this fundamentalist attitude common to all them good folk bonded by Islam… The Palestenian Israeli conflict. This wil never …never … evr be resolved. You know why? Because them Muslim Palestinians don’t just want some land back. What they really want is to wipe out Israel of the face of this earth period! And if they had the means doing the same to the USA would be kinda fun too. You think that’s a stretch? Hey these folk don’t think like what you expect from sane human beings. And you say to yourself, b…b…b.ut it’s only a few fanatical extremists. Bullshit!! Have you no eyes to see the way they as a majority crowd march the streets firing their weapons and shouting and spewing hatred and burning efigies and the American Flag. Oh-oh I forgot, Gomer would say that that’s probably somehow just staged by CNN for Western propoganda.

How do you solve something that has no boundaries but exists in the mind of billions? Shock treatment through the extreme measure focused on the biggest and most concentrated threat. X’treme threats require x’treme solutions. To ignore this is to expose us and ours to extreme real danger. Way back at the Munich Olympics when them Muslim terrorists raided the Israeli athletes’ quarters and executeed the athletes. Well it’s been a while of consistent shit the west has been taking from them. Yet there are those who want to understand these folk better and find the soft solution as if that ever has worked or ever will.

Well I’ve given my take on it. If you’ve got the time I really am keen to hear your ideas and solutions to the situation.

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I’m not an expert on Iran, but I have read many times that the younger generation of Iranians are pro-democracy and most lack the hatred that their current leadership displays toward America. Bombing them will most surely create another generation of anti-American Iranians.

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Oh yea real pro democracy those young ones. They really love the good old USA.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/181729/1_23_102805_iran_protests1.jpg

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  1. “I’m not an expert on Iran, but I have read many times that the younger generation of Iranians are pro-democracy and most lack the hatred that their current leadership displays toward America.”

Pete, I am of the impression that the proportion of Iranians you describe are negligeable.

I envision an MTV video made of the leaders and people of Iran going about their daily business. This largely consists of visiting the mosque and attending religious fundamentalist lessons. The music and song accompanying the typical scenes of solemn unsmiling faces of the people garbed in black ninja outfits and the faces of the Ayatollahs looking uncannily like our friend Osama 'cept more evil in demeanor is, “What A Wonderful World”. ie -

The colours of the Rainbow, so pretty in the sky, I see them on the faces of people going by, I see friends shaking hands, Saying …how do you do, They’re really saying I love you, Then I say to myself, What a wonderful world!

  1. “Bombing them will most surely create another generation of anti-American Iranians.”

Pete, we’re not talking bombing here so much as the bomb! Do you remember Japan WWII? Do you remember the fanaticism? Do you remember the solution? Can you now see the way Japan has evolved since then to what it is today?

The diff? Japan wasn’t as fanatical cuz there is nothing that tops religious fanaticism and also Japan then didn’t have nukes.

Yup maybe, just maybe besides solving Iran quick smart, it may just wake the rest of them Muslim Mother F-ups up to realize they really need to make some effort to intergrate and respect humanity and human life outside their own religion.

To most of us it’s like a topic of discussion separate from our everyday lives. What’s not happening in our faces we can’t feel. Until it’s on our door step like 9/11. Don’t you think it’s a little too late by then?

Well to those who are shocked with my suggested solution, call me crazy, call me whatever you like. Go ahead. But do make it credible by proposing a better alternative that will work.

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Yeah TriGuy, A picture paints a thousand words. I’ll include that image into my fantasy “Wonderful World” MTV video clip.

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“They really love the good old USA”

Just curious about what part of this picture shows that they don’t like the U.S.?

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Just curious about what part of this picture shows that they don’t like the U.S.?

Granted the picture minus a qualifier does not indicate any feelings for or against the USA. I should have include the article accompanying it. Just for you Slowguy. Please note the article title.

Iranians Rally Against Israel, U.S.   Friday, October 28, 2005![http://www.foxnews.com/images/service_ap_36.gif](http://www.foxnews.com/images/service_ap_36.gif)

TEHRAN, Iran — Tens of thousands of Iranians staged anti-Israel demonstrations across the country Friday, repeating calls by their ultraconservative president for the destruction of the Jewish state.

World leaders have condemned Wednesday’s remarks by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (search), who repeated the words of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (search), leader of the Islamic revolution, by saying: “Israel must be wiped off the map.”

On Friday the Iranian Embassy in Moscow tried to soften the impact of Ahmadinejad’s comment.

“Mr. Ahmadinejad did not have any intention to speak in sharp terms and engage in a conflict,” the embassy said in a statement following the international criticism.

It added that Ahmadinejad “underlined the key position of Iran, based on the necessity to hold free elections on the occupied territories.”

The embassy statement came after Russia, a key Iranian ally, joined criticism of Ahmadinejad’s statement and summoned the Iranian ambassador to ask for an explanation.

Ahmadinejad joined thousands of Iranians in one of several rallies in Tehran. State-run television showed Ahmadinejad surrounded by demonstrators, many holding banners with anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian slogans. “Death to Israel, death to America,” read many of the placards.

Rallies also took place in other cities such as Mashad in Iran’s east.

The state-organized demonstrations are part of the annual al-Quds Day (search) — or Jerusalem Day — protests, which were first held in 1979 after Shiite Muslim clerics took power in Iran. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians have attended previous rallies.

Late Thursday, Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki (search) said the massive demonstrations would illustrate the anger of the Islamic world over the Jewish state’s existence.

“The comments expressed by the president is the declared and specific policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” Mottaki told state-run television. “We don’t recognize the Zionist regime and don’t consider it legitimate.”

Countries from Britain to Russia denounced Ahmadinejad’s comments. The United States said the Iranian leader’s hostility underscored Washington’s concern over Iran’s nuclear program. Israel said Iran should be suspended from the United Nations.

The comments were even criticized by Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat (search).

“We have recognized the state of Israel and we are pursuing a peace process with Israel, and … we do not accept the statements of the president of Iran,” Erekat said. “This is unacceptable.”

Iran’s seven state-run TV stations devoted coverage Friday to programs condemning the Jewish state and praising the Palestinian resistance since the 1948 creation of Israel.

Three stations also showed live coverage of crowds of people gathering early Friday in streets throughout Tehran. One man who appeared to be in his 30s carried a placard saying: “The late Khomeini said Israel should be wiped off the map.”

After Khomeini toppled the pro-Western Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (search) in 1979, he declared the last Friday of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan (search) as an international day of struggle against Israel and for the liberation of Jerusalem.

The Iranian government organizes a central demonstration annually in Tehran, while other rallies demanding Israel’s destruction are held around the world.

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"Pete, I am of the impression that the proportion of Iranians you describe are negligeable. "

I think that impression is incorrect. There seems to be a significant portion of young Iranians (not children but 20somethings and teens) that are in favor of modernization, if not quite exactly pro-Western. Since they are going to be the adult leadership of Iran in the next 20 years or so, I wouldn’t call them negligible.

"Pete, we’re not talking bombing here so much as the bomb! Do you remember Japan WWII? Do you remember the fanaticism? Do you remember the solution? Can you now see the way Japan has evolved since then to what it is today?

The diff? Japan wasn’t as fanatical cuz there is nothing that tops religious fanaticism and also Japan then didn’t have nukes."

The other difference? We were involved in a World War. Also, I’m sure the Japanese would be happy to hear that you attribute their current success on the fact that we nuked them. We should definitely try that argument at the UN. “Hey, look at Japan. By nuking Iran, we’re not punishing them. We’re really just trying to give them a jumpstart on their economy.”

"Yup maybe, just maybe besides solving Iran quick smart, it may just wake the rest of them Muslim Mother F-ups up to realize they really need to make some effort to intergrate and respect humanity and human life outside their own religion. "

Or it may paint us as the most evil nation in the world who is willing to nuke an entire civilization to the stone age, thus inciting an increase in religious fervor in the Middle East that would put today’s relatively small terrorist population to shame and simultaneously lose us most of the support we have remaining among other world leaders. But hey, I guess we have all these nukes just sitting there gathering dust so we might as well use them for something, right? C’mon. There’s a reason we don’t use those things. They’re awful and they are the weapon of last resort. Once we use them, there’s no reason for the enemy to restrict what they do anymore and we don’t have any moral ground left to stand on.

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You refer to Iran’s nuclear capability. Why do you think they have such a capability? Who do you trust? If the Bush Administration came out tomorrow and said that Iran posed an imminent threat to us and therefore we will attack them, would you believe it?

One more question: why was Israel not concerned enough about Iraq’s WMD to take matters into their own hands, and why aren’t they apparently overly concerned (yet) with Iran?

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So we make Iran a sea of glass–then what? Iraqi Shiites just sit there and say “Gee that’s nice, ok we’re done here now”. Syria sits on its hands? And as slowguy mentioned, how long before it’s us vs. every nation on the planet? Or do we just keep nuking anyone that gets in our way?

In terms of Iran and its nuclear capabilities. First, don’t you think that a nuclear capable Israel plus a U.S. that has shown it will invade countries to implement, amongst other things, regime change is an aggravating factor in the push to obtain nuclear weapons? Yes, they are fanatical there, but they are also interested in self-preservation–which I am quite certain is one reason they are pursuing nuclear weaponry as there have been no indications that they would use WMD’s or nukes in an offensive role. We always talk about the crazies having a bomb and while nuclear technology is still limited to a few countries, there have been certifiable loons with their fingers on the button. Nevertheless, the U.S. is the only country that has used one in war or in any type of offensive fashion(not judging, just stating a fact). Thus, it seems to me that the argument of not letting rogue nations or lunatic leaders obtain nukes lacks some force. (Note also, that there is a big difference between a terrorist organization obtaining a nuke and a nation state and I am not equating the two). Yes, Iran clearly funds terrorists and exports terrorism and hates the West, but in my opinion, the ayatollahs in Iran, more than anything else, would rather maintain their power/position in Iran and thus wouldn’t be so apt to strike out as a nation state as that would end their position of power real quick.

Now, as for “specifics”, I’d use diplomatic pressure from the UN, Europe, and the U.S. Between sanctions and incentives amongst those groups, progress can be made. If Israel is that threatened or Iran makes very overt threats about using its newfound nuclear capability, then they can deal with it, but I’m certainly not going to have the U.S. be involved in a regional war of the scale that would occur in the Middle East, which would happen if the U.S. used nukes in Iran.

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  1. “There seems to be a significant portion of young Iranians (not children but 20somethings and teens) that are in favor of modernization, if not quite exactly pro-Western. Since they are going to be the adult leadership of Iran in the next 20 years or so, I wouldn’t call them negligible.”

They are the minority and are negligeable if they cannot have any influence over their fellow countrymen to not be a major threat to the safety of others in the world. Well before the time we wait for them to grow up and take over the leadership as you imagine and I can’t see happening (the Ayatollahs will still be prevailing) that nucleur threat may well have manufested into our deepest darkest moment in history.

  1. “The other difference? We were involved in a World War.”

Well isn’t this a world war with a pretty clear division of sides and differences? Yes we don’t have the whole world going at it conventional warfare style, but hey the Japs situation although part of WWII was not directly significant to the war in Europe. The Japs and Germans weren’t bonded by Islam and they pretty much had separate agendas. The reason the bombs were dropped was to stop their fanatical threat. Do you think the threat this time is any less fanatical or any less period, considering it’s nucleur. And yes this time the threat is intergrated all under one common objective and mentality known as Islamic Fundamentalism.

  1. "Also, I’m sure the Japanese would be happy to hear that you attribute their current success on the fact that we nuked them. We should definitely try that argument at the UN. “Hey, look at Japan. By nuking Iran, we’re not punishing them. We’re really just trying to give them a jumpstart on their economy.”

Like it or not let the facts speak for themselves. History has played out for all to see, no guessing games needed. The way they were, with their imperialistic fanatisism do you think they could have developed into a major trading partner and a world super economy?

  1. “Or it may paint us as the most evil nation in the world who is willing to nuke an entire civilization to the stone age, thus inciting an increase in religious fervor in the Middle East that would put today’s relatively small terrorist population to shame and simultaneously lose us most of the support we have remaining among other world leaders.”

That’s your opinion. Methinks it will just be the USA doing the dirty job for the rest. History repeats and the allied countries will know this even though they tend to take it for granted rather ungratefully. Yes and I think such action if really needed to thwart a nucleur threat when the time comes will be thankfully recieved and finally put the fear into them fanatic Muslim brothers outside Iran also. They will realize that their beloved Allah is not going to protect their hides even though they are the only true believers and not all of them are willing for themselves and their families lock stock to go to heaven prematurely.

  1. But hey, I guess we have all these nukes just sitting there gathering dust so we might as well use them for something, right? C’mon.

C’mon yerself! Using sarcasm by stating the ridiculous doesn’t really make me your opposite in the debate ridiculous as you would like to imply. Neither does it strengthen your argument any.

  1. “There’s a reason we don’t use those things. They’re awful and they are the weapon of last resort.”

Absolutely fully 100% agreed!

  1. “Once we use them, there’s no reason for the enemy to restrict what they do anymore and we don’t have any moral ground left to stand on.”

As you say yourself, last resort. My point is the way things are going that last resort may, (hopefully not) be imminent. But we do need to be resolved and prepared or we’ll be the ones nuked. And not just because some people need to protect themselves but because they’re just plain fanatical crazy to the max! Why should we and ours pay for their craziness?

The moral ground is they left us with no choice.

As for anything the enemy wants to do, they won’t have any ground to stand on literally, let alone do anything. And do you think them Mother Fu…er crazies, can you honestly say that they really have any restrictions to the nasty things they want to do? To them they are carrying out the most sacred holy deeds. What restriction? The only restrictions that are in place are their capabilities. Let’s just give them a chance to build that up to the nucleur ready to go stage and hedge our bets on their good attitude. Howsabout that? Never mind that their President has already announced his country’s desire to wipe out another in the worst way.

Jeez now I must have caught the sarcastic bug from you. -:slight_smile: It’s all your fault!

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  1. “Syria sits on its hands?”

Don’t know about sitting on it’s hands, but somehow me thinks they’ll be shitting in their pants?

  1. “And as slowguy mentioned, how long before it’s us vs. every nation on the planet?”

And as I mentioned the USA does the world’s dirty jobs. What’s new? Allied countries and those in alliance with them know it, though they do tend to take it for granted at times. Methinks the freeworld will breathe a sigh of relief.

  1. “Or do we just keep nuking anyone that gets in our way?”

Do you know of any other countries besides Iran in the world with nucleur, entertaining serious notions and desires of wiping out other nations?

As for the rest of your post, it seriously makes me wonder which country you enjoy your free life in and whether you actually realize it and whose side are you actually on.

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“obviously, without a clue as to what the average Iranian on the street may think.”

Me! me! Over here. I’ve got more than a clue how Muslim brothers think. The more religious they are the more they think that way. No shit, it’s true! Same all over the world. And them Iranians just love to go pray 24 seven.

American flag burners in USA? Man that’s got to be them critics y’all been singing the praises for. Reckon they should be sent to Iran. Probably fit in well end up dressing in black and fitting in with the locals real fine. Purge their spirits of the materialistic world and settle to divine belief and prayer. That means no expensive Tri bikes either OK?

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“You refer to Iran’s nuclear capability. Why do you think they have such a capability? Who do you trust?”

??? I thought my answer to those questions would be if anything pretty obvious by now. Well I think Mr Bush would do what’s best for the USA cuz he’s an American and the President the last I checked, and even he and his family are not immune to a nucleur attack. Is that a far out notion?

Why do they have such a capability? The same reason they perpetuated 9/11 amongst many-many other things going on a daily basis. Did you miss all that or are you going to tell me that Iranian Muslim Fundamentalist are totally different from others who happen to reside in a slightly different location. Actually from what Iranians have done over time and how they are period, they are the most fanatical Islamic worshippers on the face of this earth.

Who do I trust? Urmmm am I supposed to say radical Islamic Muslim brothers or something?

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“You refer to Iran’s nuclear capability. Why do you think they have such a capability? Who do you trust?”

??? I thought my answer to those questions would be if anything pretty obvious by now. Well I think Mr Bush would do what’s best for the USA cuz he’s an American and the President the last I checked, and even he and his family are not immune to a nucleur attack. Is that a far out notion?

Why do they have such a capability? The same reason they perpetuated 9/11 amongst many-many other things going on a daily basis. Did you miss all that or are you going to tell me that Iranian Muslim Fundamentalist are totally different from others who happen to reside in a slightly different location. Actually from what Iranians have done over time and how they are period, they are the most fanatical Islamic worshippers on the face of this earth.

Who do I trust? Urmmm am I supposed to say radical Islamic Muslim brothers or something?
Let’s try this again. What is your source of information that tells you that Iran has a nuclear capability?

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The problem is Casey them fanatics over there have Nukes now and have verbally stated their desires on what they want to do. Also them fanatics over there have perpetuated and are perpetuating all that shit we know as terrorism. In the USA we only got the one or two individual loons over a long period doing those things in the past. And they’re not affilliated to anyone let alone a network of likewise mentalities bonded in religious brotherhood spread around the world.