Inverted curve

For the last few sessions the 10 year bond yield has been below the 3m yield, creating an inverted curve. This happened in late March and garnered some attention, before the curve un-inverted and got back up to about a 15bps spread in April.

Some are pointing to the fact that if this inverted curve persists for a number of months, it can be a harbinger of a recession ahead. Clearly we’re not there yet, but worth watching.

Treasury yields appear to be falling thanks to risk aversion trades (political tensions in Europe, trade tensions, geopolitical tensions…), as well as the Fed’s upcoming announcement on its preferred inflation gauge.

Other things to note:

  • US-China trade talks seem to have gone south, at least for the moment
  • This suggests the ramp up in tariffs Trump threatened will occur 1 June
  • EU has said it will resist any efforts by the US to reduce sales of autos and auto components into the US market (this means the 180 day delay of the auto tariffs until November may not see a resolution before then, given the US-China talks are likely the priority)
  • the S&P is down 4.5% since Trump announced the escalation in tariffs on Chinese goods
  • median 2Q GDP growth forecasts have fallen from 2.65% at end-March, to just 2.0% now (JP Morgan just cut its forecast to 1.0% from 2.25%)
  • Companies seem reticent to invest in the current uncertain trade climate (business investment fell -0.9% m/m in April, and March was revised lower)
  • The labor market and consumer confidence are still bright spots, with weakness mostly confined to the manufacturing sector
  • China’s PMI data later this week (9pm Thursday) will be important for market sentiment

I don’t think the sky is falling, but there appear to be some clouds on the horizon…

Chart of the 10yr-3m yield spread:

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I really enjoyed your analysis. And though the market may turn soft for a while its could rebound tomorrow if a China deal gets struck. Until then it’s a game of chicken.

Hope you are right, in that I believe the same is coming and am sitting on 100% cash at the moment. I don’t wish for a crash, just believe it is coming. Be a good time to refinance too, or buy a new house…

The FED doesn’t have a lot of room to move with interest rates, but it should move now IMO.
My analogy would be that if we’re going to shoot this downturn with a pistol, at least lets get our shot in while it’s small.

The market seems to agree with you, and has shifted to now effectively price in 2 cuts this year and also 2 cuts in 2020.

I’ll post my comments in bold.

For the last few sessions the 10 year bond yield has been below the 3m yield, creating an inverted curve. This happened in late March and garnered some attention, before the curve un-inverted and got back up to about a 15bps spread in April. Some are pointing to the fact that if this inverted curve persists for a number of months, it can be a harbinger of a recession ahead. Clearly we’re not there yet, but worth watching. Treasury yields appear to be falling thanks to risk aversion trades (political tensions in Europe, trade tensions, geopolitical tensions…), as well as the Fed’s upcoming announcement on its preferred inflation gauge.

Other things to note:

  • US-China trade talks seem to have gone south, at least for the moment
    **The trade deal is terminal IMO. It’s a radioactive political hot-potato in the U.S. and Chinese leadership flat-out cannot afford to look weak domestically. This is a classic case of unstoppable force meets immovable object. Anyone who thinks anything will get resolved in the next week or month or even year is delusional. I think it’s very telling that the Chinese hastily set up a system for domestic companies to apply for tariff exemptions after the last round of tariff escalations. **

Food inflation is a problem in China at the moment. Many foodstuffs are seeing double digit price increases and the full effect of African Swine Fever won’t hit until the second half of this year. China had about 440,000,000 hogs and so far officially they’ve culled about 20% of that herd. By year end the real number could easily be 40%. Pork is a large source of protein in China so the typical Chinese consumer will feel the effects.

I also bring this up because the way the soy story is being spun in the U.S. Yes, soy farmers are hurting at the moment but it has nothing to do with tariffs. A typical pig eats an average of about 8lbs/day until it is at its finish weight and ~half of that is soy in China. On an annualized rate, the culling of China’s hog herd has reduced their soybean demand by ~64,000,000tons/year. For reference, in 2018 Chinese soybean imports hit ~88,000,000tons


  • This suggests the ramp up in tariffs Trump threatened will occur 1 June
    **I see no reason to believe that they won’t. **

  • EU has said it will resist any efforts by the US to reduce sales of autos and auto components into the US market (this means the 180 day delay of the auto tariffs until November may not see a resolution before then, given the US-China talks are likely the priority)
    **Germany in particular is in a horrible position. They’re net importers from China and there’s no reason to believe that China will suddenly open it’s markets wide for German exports. The German automotive industry directly employs 770,000 people out of a workforce of about 40,000,000. Automotive production is responsible for (at a minimum) 15% of German GDP. When you look at German exports as a whole (including autos) it’s about 40% of GDP. Germany is an export-heavy nation. Germany’s largest trade surplus… by far… is with the U.S. (~$70bil). It doesn’t take a lot more information to figure out that U.S. tariffs on European… ahem… German auto exports would devastate Germany’s economy (which was already on the edge anyways… might be in a recession already tbh, we’ll see next quarter). **

The worst news? Germany doesn’t have a choice. There is nowhere for them to pivot. The next two countries on Germany’s list of trading partners with which it has a surplus are the U.K. ($19bil) and India ($15bil). Fun fact about India: they have fewer than 1,000 miles of paved, multi-lane highway in the entire country. Good look selling cars there anytime soon.

  • the S&P is down 4.5% since Trump announced the escalation in tariffs on Chinese goods
    **Correlation vs causation. Equity markets are over-valued and most of the underlying companies have taken on horrendous amounts of leverage. Trading volumes are also low. As such I believe we live in a world of “stairs up, elevator down”. **

  • median 2Q GDP growth forecasts have fallen from 2.65% at end-March, to just 2.0% now (JP Morgan just cut its forecast to 1.0% from 2.25%)
    Feels about right

  • Companies seem reticent to invest in the current uncertain trade climate (business investment fell -0.9% m/m in April, and March was revised lower)
    I call BS. The “trade climate” is just cover for the real underlying issue: too much debt as a result of the C-suite “extracting value”. If you’re a U.S.-based multinational and your leadership can’t figure out that investments in production need to be made in SE Asia ex-China, Mexico, and the U.S. (it’s really that simple) then it’s time to find new leadership.

  • The labor market and consumer confidence are still bright spots, with weakness mostly confined to the manufacturing sector
    **I think automotive manufacturing will be a drag on manufacturing worldwide for a long, long time. In the U.S, an aging population means we’ll drive less and, ceteris paribus, replace our vehicles less often. This trend will be further exacerbated in Europe. China has insane overcapacity in its automotive sector. It’s really hard to be bullish on autos in any country right now even under rosy circumstances. Hence, manufacturing everywhere will be tied to a sinking anchor. **

  • China’s PMI data later this week (9pm Thursday) will be important for market sentiment
    **I found China’s first (official) bank failure over the weekend to be an interesting harbinger. **

I don’t think the sky is falling, but there appear to be some clouds on the horizon…

I’m going to leave this with a crazy notion: this period of irrational U.S. equity valuations could last for quite a long time. Volume is scary low and right now the biggest fish in the pond in terms of flow of funds are U.S. pensions. Most states are trying to shore up their pensions in some capacity which means additional taxpayer contributions. For the most part, the majority of these contributions are going to increasing AUM (vs going directly to payouts). Basically every pension in the U.S. has to chase a 7.5% return and they keep underperforming year after year. So, what do they do? They increase their risk allocations. Many pension funds are now participating in what is basically unsecured lending to corporations so that said corporations can buy back their own stock… which the pensions already own. It’s a one-way street. For now.

To top things off, the “smart” money has not participated in recent rallies because, by their metrics, things are grossly over-valued. This active money has been pushed into credit and, rather than looking at credit through the lens of an old-school banker, these managers are treating credit like equities. They’re trying to beat a given benchmark or rate of return which is pretty easy to do in the credit world as all you have to do is overweight yield (which means you’re buying crap or long-dated crap).

If you’re an investment grade company there’s basically an unlimited pool of covenant-lite money out there for you to borrow and buy back your own stock. So, if you’re a CEO and your compensation is in some way tied to the stock price, what do you do? You do a buyback.

One final thing, and this goes to rate cuts (which are far more likely than rate hikes at this point IMO). Some of the smart money sees the coming economic malaise as an excuse for another round of QE and they basically see the same chain of events as the last time around: the chase for yield drives everything higher.

That said, I’m mostly in cash. I’ve been in bank preferreds for a long time now but many of them mature in the next year or so and I suspect most of them will get called (so I’m kind of treating those positions as cash at this point). I also have a position in a pipeline-focused CEF and I’m short Chipotle and Netflix (for kicks).

I’m going to leave this with a crazy notion: this period of irrational U.S. equity valuations could last for quite a long time. Volume is scary low and right now the biggest fish in the pond in terms of flow of funds are U.S. pensions. Most states are trying to shore up their pensions in some capacity which means additional taxpayer contributions. For the most part, the majority of these contributions are going to increasing AUM (vs going directly to payouts). Basically every pension in the U.S. has to chase a 7.5% return and they keep underperforming year after year. So, what do they do? They increase their risk allocations. Many pension funds are now participating in what is basically unsecured lending to corporations so that said corporations can buy back their own stock… which the pensions already own. It’s a one-way street. For now.

For all of the problems outlined, I basically agree. It is hard to short the combined power of every government bending monetary policy to keep growth going. At some point, there may be a huge failure, but the horizon for that failure can continue to be put off in a number of ways. Betting against indefinite QE is a very poor proposition in the short term.

How do you mitigate inflation being mostly “in cash”

If collectively we agree that everything is overvalued. And stairs up lift down. What’s the horizon for a correction?

When 20% (or maybe more now) of all money invested is in index funds what happens with a massive correction?

How do you mitigate inflation being mostly “in cash”

If collectively we agree that everything is overvalued. And stairs up lift down. What’s the horizon for a correction?

When 20% (or maybe more now) of all money invested is in index funds what happens with a massive correction?

The best part will be market liquidity seizing dislocation between ETPs, their components, and their benchmarks. People won’t be able to get out when they want and those that do won’t understand why the price is so off. NBBO and the proliferation of exchanges and off exchange venues will make people want floors and slow execution back.

try that again in english…:slight_smile:

are we discussing the madness of crowds…once one heads for the door…all follow precipitating a fall that outpaces the rate at which people are selling at a given price? i.e. they think they should be getting x but by the time the trade is executed its dropped further?

on a seperate note. if you had a lump sum, would you a) hold off and stick it in a crappy bond for 3 months, 12 months, 24 months OR b) would you drip feed it in to the market?

try that again in english…:slight_smile:

are we discussing the madness of crowds…once one heads for the door…all follow precipitating a fall that outpaces the rate at which people are selling at a given price? i.e. they think they should be getting x but by the time the trade is executed its dropped further?

on a seperate note. if you had a lump sum, would you a) hold off and stick it in a crappy bond for 3 months, 12 months, 24 months OR b) would you drip feed it in to the market?

Let’s use SPY as in a simplified example. 1 share of SPY is made up of 500 partial shares of the stocks that make up the S&P 500. To accurately price SPY you need to know all 500 prices. The ETF owner creates and redeems shares of SPY in large blocks and then trades large blocks of the underlying. There are at least 10 stock exchange/ large execution venues where the SPY and the 500 stocks can be traded so those have to be monitored because all trades need to be executed at the National Best Bid Offer. Your clearing firm also either internalizes or is paid for order flow so that an HFT can see your trade first. This is all fine every day. Now imagine everyone wants to sell ala 2008, all the bids are yanked in a flash crash, and the price of ETFs don’t match the sum of its parts like August 15. You’re left with people selling at the market getting fucked, limit orders not getting filled because the price has moved, or limits through the bid getting filled at the worst price possible. And that’s not even the bad stuff

Lump sum… depends on when you need it and your risk tolerance. Personally I’d put some in the market, some in interest rates and keep some bullets for the sell off

I should add that I’m not in cash. I’m never in cash.
I fully expect a good year in equities.

I am not that worried about inflation at this point vs all the other risks. All the easy money floating around and still very little inflation must indicate some underlying weakness in the economy imho.

How do you mitigate inflation being mostly “in cash”

If collectively we agree that everything is overvalued. And stairs up lift down. What’s the horizon for a correction?

When 20% (or maybe more now) of all money invested is in index funds what happens with a massive correction?

You don’t. Horizon for a correction? Tomorrow, a month, a year… (there’s actually a way to calculate when things will reverse with pensions). When there’s a massive correction people will realize that passive investing results in six lane highway going in, singletrack coming out and, as Windy said, people will yearn for the old days.

Tbh… the plunge will be so swift and so severe the Fed will have to step in.

How do you mitigate inflation being mostly “in cash”

If collectively we agree that everything is overvalued. And stairs up lift down. What’s the horizon for a correction?

When 20% (or maybe more now) of all money invested is in index funds what happens with a massive correction?

You don’t. Horizon for a correction? Tomorrow, a month, a year… (there’s actually a way to calculate when things will reverse with pensions). When there’s a massive correction people will realize that passive investing results in six lane highway going in, singletrack coming out and, as Windy said, people will yearn for the old days.

Tbh… the plunge will be so swift and so severe the Fed will have to step in.

You saying acct 000001 at the CME aka the plunge protection team will be buying bigs a 1000 at a clip?

The problem is that the fed never really stepped out of the markets. Interest rates are still historically low, especially for being almost 10 years into an expansion. The fed balance still stands at 3.9B. They’ve only reduced the size of the balance sheet by around 500B over the past 3 years. When it hits the fan this time, the fed is going to have far fewer arrows in its quiver.

IMO, there are very few accidents when it comes to the Fed. They might not be able to look into the future and know when things will happen but I’m quite certain they know what will happen. People like to use the Fed and Bernanke as a scapegoat for all their ills but, IMO, the Fed did their job in ‘08 and Bernanke was literally the best qualified person for the job. I don’t think that was a coincidence or an accident.

If you read the Federal Reserve Act, the PPT/Maiden Lane and the assets they’ve periodically purchased (e.g. not treasuries and agency debt)… that’s legally… dubious.

If we look at what’s likely coming, the Fed’s only choice will be to buy equities (in addition to the usual assets) and do so in volume (just look at Japan). To do so would require either a thorough rewrite or reinterpretation of the Federal Reserve Act. Powell is a lawyer and has written numerous white papers regarding interpreting the Federal Reserve Act. Coincidence? I doubt it.

The problem is that the fed never really stepped out of the markets. Interest rates are still historically low, especially for being almost 10 years into an expansion. The fed balance still stands at 3.9B. They’ve only reduced the size of the balance sheet by around 500B over the past 3 years. When it hits the fan this time, the fed is going to have far fewer arrows in its quiver.

Monetary policy is relative, not absolute. Interest rates are low but so are rates of return and thus future demand for investment. U.S. monetary policy is actually very tight compared to the EU, Japan, or China.

Agreed that the Fed has limited room to cut rates. The Fed will not, IMO, push negative rates as the ECB/EU has shown quite clearly that doing so eats your banking system alive from within (separate from Europe’s NPL problem and their approach to finance). What the Fed will do is buy assets (QE) and they have an unlimited capacity to do so. Bernanke wrote a paper back in 2015 stating that the balance sheet runoff would probably have to be halted (can’t remember the exact number) due to nominal GDP growth and a decline in money velocity. He likely underestimated just how low velocity would go (literally everyone has).