Injected Placebo improved running performance 1.2% not quite EPO but dang

Triathlon Forum
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http://journals.lww.com/...Endurance.97851.aspx

I asked my coach to shoot me up
.

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I think one of the ladies in the office has some
left over Smarties from Halloween.

I’m gonna save a ton of money.

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I don’t think that study is saying what your title says,.

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I don’t think that study is saying what your title says,.

Not quite, no.

John

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So, a group of 40:00 10k runners claimed a :30 improvement on a placebo? Not too groundbreaking of a study.

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So, a group of 40:00 10k runners claimed a :30 improvement on a placebo? Not too groundbreaking of a study.

If that 1.2% “improvement” would hold for a world record performance in the 10,000 meters that would be
almost 19 seconds faster than the current mark.

And even though the new world record holder would be incredibly naive he’d still be clean.

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I will take the 1.2% improvement for saline injections
.

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So, a group of 40:00 10k runners claimed a :30 improvement on a placebo? Not too groundbreaking of a study.

people come on here and go on and on about a shoe or wheels to shave time for a lot less than 1% improvement so yeah this is groundbreaking that you can inject SALINE call it oxy and get that kind of improvement

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I will take the 1.2% improvement for saline injections

you can get 2% more power by just having your power meter lie to you.

or by learning to pace properly

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I will take the 1.2% improvement for saline injections

you can get 2% more power by just having your power meter lie to you.

or by learning to pace properly

running that is tougher…

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So, a group of 40:00 10k runners claimed a :30 improvement on a placebo? Not too groundbreaking of a study.

If that 1.2% “improvement” would hold for a world record performance in the 10,000 meters that would be
almost 19 seconds faster than the current mark.

And even though the new world record holder would be incredibly naive he’d still be clean.

You’re focusing on the wrong end of the study. It’s not the percentage improvement, it’s the fact that they took a bunch of **40:00 10K club runners **and they ran slightly faster while on the placebo. I’m willing to bet that these guys are not at their aerobic limit running 40:00. Any additional drive will get them :30.

Now, I’d rather see a study that takes athletes who are already pushing their aerobic limits and see what effect the placebo has.

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So, a group of 40:00 10k runners claimed a :30 improvement on a placebo? Not too groundbreaking of a study.

people come on here and go on and on about a shoe or wheels to shave time for a lot less than 1% improvement so yeah this is groundbreaking that you can inject SALINE call it oxy and get that kind of improvement

Placebo effect isn’t groundbreaking at all.
Those hill repeats, track work, long runs, extra sleep, healthy eating, skipping happy hour all have a positive effect on race day. Some is mental, some is physical. The difference between that list and saline is obvious…the placebo does nothing for you physically.
If those club runners were put onto a strict coaching plan and then subjected to the intervention study, I’m sure on two things: A) they would all have ran a lot faster, and B) the placebo effect would shrink away into the error bars.