I seemed to have gotten myself one of those good problems to have but it’s seriously painful. I am a contractor at my current job and I have been trying to get in as a full time employee for a year. I have a friend that works for another company that I’ve known for 11 years. He’s also a director at his job. A year ago I interviewed at his company and they wanted to hire me then but weren’t able to due to a contractual issue. Well a couple weeks ago over text he offered me the job I interviewed for over there a year ago. I took the offer and gave my notice. At the time I gave my notice my manager asked me if he could get me a position at about the same rate but with a better benefits package would I consider staying. I told him I would but he’d have to move fast because of the other offer. Well here it is Tuesday of my last week and my current manager sends me a text that HR is going to be contacting me about the position they created for me. They are doing this outside of a current hiring freeze (which is happening due to a take over of another company). My manager has been doing a lot of running around talking to the SVP, and the CTO and CIO so I appreciated all that. So the other job is a done deal paperwork background check etc… just show up Monday morning, or do I see what my current place is willing to offer which I already basically told them I would accept if they put it together. If it matters, one is a bank and the other is a non big 3 automotive company.
Which job do you want. Time to be selfish. It’s business, you don’t anyone anything.
Will this decision affect your friendship?
The company you currently work for has a hiring freeze, and is about to be bought out by another company? I got a little lost in all the information you provided. If this is so, what prevents the new company owners from letting you go, once the waters have settled? In my experience, once an employee starts looking around, they have already left. Extra incentives, whatever they may be, are only a temporary measure to get them to stay.
Tibbs is right, this is a time to make the right business decision for yourself.
I had a situation very similar to your’s happen this Spring. it was all internal but played out almost the same. I had been in the same area for over 10 years and had become the go to person. Raises in our company have been pretty flat for several years. Another area had an opening that fit me very well. I told my current manager, 3 days before the second interview, that I did not have to leave and they could convince me to cancel the interview.
I heard nothing from them. I go to the interview, by the end of the next day I had an offer. The new area would promote me and get me around 10% pay bump. Only then did my current area come back. They wanted to match the money and dangle the carrot that while they weren’t giving me the same promotion, they could give that to me in a year or so and I would get another pay bump.
If they had made that same offer a week earlier I would have jumped at it. But then what got stuck in my head is that if that money was there today, where was it before? I’ve been busting my ass for years and not seen this money. I warned you I was going for a second interview and hadn’t seen it. Only when I got the offer and was on the way out the door did it show up. They simply didn’t want to overpay by a few bucks.
I’m very happy in the new area.
I’ll echo the previous post a bit.
All things being equal (bank vs. automotive that is), I’d go to the new company. Your existing company is only making a move as a reactive measure to keep you on/ bring you on as an employee. I would take this as an indicator of the way they regard their people and what to expect - bare minimum effort from them, non-proactive approach. Seems like a “too little, too late” situation there. You were campaigning for a year to get on full-time, and only now do they say they could make that happen. The fact is, they could have made it happen at any time, but were dragging their feet and taking your availability for granted.
jkca1 - It could although I think he’d get over it.
SProboscis - They’re in a hiring freeze because they are taking over a smaller bank, sorry I wasn’t clear. When I put in my notice I told them that I had every intention on staying but can’t wait for them to come to the table with an offer and this one came about. That’s what sort of put the fire under them.
j p o - That is a similar situation. The bump in my case is actually 25%. Being a contractor, I’ve been sort of ripped off due to the Michigan economy the last couple of years. Now I am getting an offer for what I should be making and no one wants to lose me and is willing to pay. Actually, the current house wants to keep me so bad, they’d take a .50/hr hit to keep me on the contract but that’s not going to happen because I’m either going full time here or moving on.
Marlonius - They could have made it happen at anytime but it’s not just me they want to bring on full time. It’s actually a whole movement to save money is the company is more contractors than full time. They just don’t want to do it until January when they are going to bring on many people. My situation is different in that they don’t want to lose me so they are making an exception. They have also asked me not to tell anyone for a while because they don’t want to have another situation like mine. So I feel like they really value me and want to keep me, that’s what makes it so tough.
They are doing this outside of a current hiring freeze (which is happening due to a take over of another company).
They are clearly willing to keep you since it is usually not that easy to “bypass” an hiring freeze. Some folks could argue well they have paid me as a contractor, not they will pay me as FTE so there is not much difference. However it is obviously not the same for the company!
On the other hand, I would be potentially concern about the take over. What guarantee would you they will keep you 1 year from now after they’ve done some due diligence? since as a contractor or new FTE I doubt you will get a retention bonus.
Also I do not not how process oriented your current company/what roadblock they are facing, but you could argue while your manager is apparently trying is hardest, I am not sure the rest of the company is actually trying given that after almost 1 1/2 week you have nothing in front of you.
that being said I have seen folks joining companies and leaving 2-3 weeks after because they had something better… so you could potentially always leave and come back…
Fred.
Which job do you want. Time to be selfish. It’s business, you don’t anyone anything.
I understand this, but there’s a part of me that says that the time to leverage a job offer for better wages, benefits, conditions, etc. with your current employer is before you accept that offer. Once you’ve accepted that offer, you make a commitment.
If I make an offer to an applicant and he or she rejects it for something better, I’ll understand and even consider them again in the future. However, it the applicant pulls out after having accepted the offer, I’m unlikely to ever consider them again.
Go with the company that is going to be in business longer and where the risk of mass layoff is lowest.
Whether you accepted the offer or not already is of no concern.
Its survival of the fittest, so typical rules don’t really apply anymore.
Companies always pull offers after they have been accepted, so you should be empowered to do the same.
Also, if this guy is really your friend then backing out on this offer now should be even easier, unless he’s a real d-bag, and takes it personally.
Whether you accepted the offer or not already is of no concern.
Its survival of the fittest, so typical rules don’t really apply anymore.
It is of concern if integrity matters. I’m not sure what the “typical” rules are, but I believe keeping one’s word still applies. And I think that’s true even if the other party doesn’t.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t circumstances where it’s not inappropriate to withdraw after acceptance. If you truly made a bad decision, that I would understand. Likewise, if you had a family emergency, a once-in-a-lifetime offer, or changed economic circumstances. I can even see if there’s a significantly better offer. But I don’t think an equal or perhaps marginally better offer cuts it.
Companies always pull offers after they have been accepted, so you should be empowered to do the same.
Companies do not always do this. Not even close. And I it’s even much more rare for a company to do so just because a better applicant came around. If an offer is pulled, it’s more likely because of changed economic circumstances.
And what’s up with this touchy-feely “empowerment” shit. You sound like a fucktard liberal. He’s “empowered” to do whatever he wants. Nothing (other than integrity) prevents him from backing out.
Also, if this guy is really your friend then backing out on this offer now should be even easier, unless he’s a real d-bag, and takes it personally.
A good friend wouldn’t or shouldn’t take something like this personally. But he might change his opinion of you.