Imogen Simmonds Provisionally Suspended for Anti-Doping Rule Violation

[TheStroBro]

@Lurker4

@BDoughtie

There’s zero point in this getting out to the public at the point where it is.

It does seem like the concept of “sunlight is the best disinfectant” isn’t the approach the authorities have here. There’s too much secrecy around this. The idea of innocent until proven guilty would apply much more in the public mindset if the allegations and the defenses were public more frequently. If positive tests were so common place that arguments like, “it’s only a picogram”, or from 2nd hand fluid exchange, tainted eggs, etc. then maybe this wouldn’t be such an abnormal thing.

The secrecy, the seemingly large discrepancy between who gets the max treatment and who gets the kid gloves, is all fraught with problems that are most certainly NOT in the athletes best interest. We want to talk about athlete rights, if we assume they are all innocent from the outset then Collin and Thomas have to be looking at this saying WTF, this is BS as they didn’t get this level of deniability. To the convicted, it must look like winners and losers are selected behind closed doors.

To any innocent and falsely accused (if there are truly any, assuming these picogram 2nd hand contamination excuses are legit), this also is a disservice to them – because there’s no guarantee they won’t get railroaded while a different big name gets off the hook.

If, indeed, it was treated like an explainable result they have a valid reason to defend against and the public and their peers would all be a part of seeing how often this comes up and how weighty the evidence is, then it wouldn’t be a death knell to their career, but it would potentially be a common place finding that is often revealed to be uncertain at best and more likely incorrect.

The argument that secrecy protects the athlete is a lie – if we believe that we should have criminal trials in secrecy. Fairness, consistency, potential for abuse, and lack of accountability for those making the accusations are all massive negatives with secret trials.

Part of the secrecy stems from the fact that these are not criminal offenses in most countries. The secrecy benefits the athlete. If they are found not guilty, it never happened.

This has been mentioned many times in this thread.

[Lurker4]

@TheStroBro

Part of the secrecy stems from the fact that these are not criminal offenses in most countries.

My entire post acknowledges that, but I tried to lay out why secrecy works against the athlete if connected athletes, or athletes who “play ball” or who just aren’t objectionable to some unnamed committee for some unknown reason, get off while others get the book thrown at them.

[TheStroBro]

I agree, which is why the people in this thread carrying Water for a doper needs to stop. Because she’s “nice”? Either her boyfriend was doped to the gills to a level of toxicity or she’s microdosing. This “excuse” really only works if her partner is CBum.

[fulla]

@TheStroBro

@fulla

@tommynelsoniii

Some people sure can write a lot of words

Yes, i skip over posts from brooks in general for this reason. Too many words. Ajax has thoroughly researched every single reply he makes - not sure if he is retired or something, because he also writes walls of text with source quotes etc. some people must just have a lot of time on their hands.

There should be a word limit on posts.

Skip Brooks but Read Ajax? Pot meet kettle? Ajax posts in this thread especially are not well researched. They are argumentative and he doesn’t acknowledge much.

Lol I didn’t say I read all of Ajax’s posts. I skimmed his replies to my posts about hair testing and its limitations. By ‘thorough’ research I did not mean his sources of information are correct. Just meant he spends lots of time finding stuff to back up his arguments. Whether thhat stuff is correct is a different story. I guess he may just be using chat gpt…

[TakeYourTime]

You are not wrong… this thread is done. How much can we “speculate” about someone else’s life, over and over again. Let it be, and await the outcome.

In the meantime- waste more energy of going for a swim/ride/run!

[TulkasTri]

Don’t discuss things in a discussion forum.

Got it.

[kajet]

You have to admit this thread has become comical. I won’t criticize the guys who spend hours and hours typing here, for the benefit of 3-4 interested readers, but I do consider the pineapple discussion more promising.

Unless of course there’s new information.

[ThailandUltras]

@kajet

but I do consider the pineapple discussion more promising.

Unless of course there’s new information.

An pineapple sign placed on a cruise ship door or a pinapple patch on clothing on cruise ships is a know sign indicating that the guests in question are swingers. Ssme goes for the caravaners here in Oz.
A plastic pjneapple on the dashboard of you capervan inducates you are up for some campground fun.
What they do with their pizzas,I dont know.

[RandMart]

I’m a little concerned what my Ben Gravy surfwear/merch might say about me?

Official Ben Gravy Merch

And by “a little concerned” I mean,“not a fucking bit!!!” LOL

[pk]

lets hope immo’s partner did not wear a pineapple shirt in Taupo…

[kajet]

[RandMart]

Isn’t there a Polynesian curse for when you want something bad to happen to someone you say “fuck them with a pineapple?”

Or if something bad has happened to you “fuck me with a pineapple?”

I think I heard that on Below Deck once?

[Zuckerzeit]

@ThailandUltras

An pineapple sign placed on a cruise ship door or a pinapple patch on clothing on cruise ships is a know sign indicating that the guests in question are swingers. Ssme goes for the caravaners here in Oz.
A plastic pjneapple on the dashboard of you capervan inducates you are up for some campground fun.
What they do with their pizzas,I dont know.

Time for some music : )

- YouTube

[RandMart]

Last summer, I read Murder Your Employer : The McMasters Guide to Homicide by Rupert Holmes … yes, THAT Rupert Holmes

First of all, McMasters Conservatory sounds like a Hogwarts for Assassins and Serial Killers - who’s to say the CIA/FBI/MI6/KGB don’t have one (yeah, the KGB is still ALIVE; don’t kid yourself LOL)

Secondly, I will NEVER be able to listen to “Escape (The Piña Colada Song)” again because it’s painfully clear that the singer/narrator murdered his cheating partner after their meeting; or maybe the other way around?

Thirdly, I’m worried about how thoughtfully Rupert Holmes constructs the actual “deletions” - they don’t say “murder” at McMasters (example: cinder blocks + fishing line + “park right HERE”)

[TulkasTri]

Sure, I can admit that.

[timr]

@fulla

Yes, i skip over posts from brooks in general for this reason. Too many words.

This is hilarious. I’ve never read a complete post by him. He writes novels with every post. Thought it was just me, lol.

[Ajax_Bay]

@RandMart

Isn’t there a Polynesian curse for when you want something bad to happen to someone you say “fuck them with a pineapple?”
Or if something bad has happened to you “fuck me with a pineapple?”

In similar vein, in my erstwhile neck-o’-the-woods, the flora of preference for this sort of curse/wish/benchmark was a “frosted Christmas tree”.
Which (for @TheStroBro ) would be “illegal” to import into New Zealand (ref available), unlike certain other material.

[Engner66]

Man, you folks have very slow reading skills he is a bit long winded sometimes, but I am usually here for entertainment, so don’t mind 15-20 s of my time to read some stuff.

[fulla]

@timr

@fulla

Yes, i skip over posts from brooks in general for this reason. Too many words.

This is hilarious. I’ve never read a complete post by him. He writes novels with every post. Thought it was just me, lol.

If i read one of his posts, i usually only make it about 2 to 3 sentences in until my eyes start to go down the page to the next post.

[RandMart]

@Engner66

Man, you folks have very slow reading skills he is a bit long winded sometimes, but I am usually here for entertainment, so don’t mind 15-20 s of my time to read some stuff.

I, myself, might* be uniquely challenged - or maybe not uniquely, to the forum population?

First, there’s the dyslexia
Secondly, I’m reading on my phone, so … the screen is kinda small
Thirdly, we have a little ADHD, where “what does THAT MEAN?” can send us off the thread (and ST, entirely) to track down an intriguing reference or source