Sorry, had to
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Yes, and this isnât just female athletes. Gasquetâs incident highlights that you could get in trouble for making out in a club with some random cokehead chick. Many workers are also subject to alcohol and drug testing policies and they would have to watch out who they have physical contact with.
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I used to live with a girl like that - quite troublesome & disturbing
I was also thinking that if a male athlete in a non-monogamous or open relationship with a woman, who knows what she could be bringing home & sharing with âthe household?â
Any response from Pro Tri Nonsense after getting dunked on by Kelly? Would be on brand for Cox to pretend it didnât happen and tell a Lionel story instead.
you could start the handbag fight thread between pro tri and jack Kelly âŚ
Welcome to Slowtwitch!! Getting stuck in with your first two posts, without any preconceptions.
You imply you listened to Kellyâs 58? minutes long âdunkingâ?
Kudos if you did so without FFWD.
If so go and enjoy the latest PTN pod. And offer an assessment of how itâs going: but as @pk suggests better on a thread for the purpose.
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This should end the thread, but it wonât. There should be another 500 posts minimum to explain this away when the fact of the matter is, all athletes are responsible for everything (everything) they put in their bodies.
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Dude message me. I need to tell you the craziest story about Lionel! 
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Iâll bite.
Elite athletes could all have a motive to cheat, as you assert. But the âreality is thatâ a tiny number do so. Mainly because the motive to train and race clean overwhelms any âcheatingâ temptation and whatâs more there are anti-doping controls in place to deter âcheating with banned substancesâ.
And the âreality is thatâ vanishingly few âget found with traces of a banned substance in their bodyâ. How many Pros are there out there? >500? How many AAFs (that we know about) have there been among those?
Iâll bite back.
A high percentage of gym goers who just want to look good take drugs. Incidentally, even one of them whoâs intimate with a triathlete.
If there was a way to take drugs with a very low risk of detection, and if you did get caught you had an acceptable excuse for the evidence against you, and you had a strong professional and financial motive to take those drugs, why would you be any more principled than the gym goer whoâs livilhood doesnât depend on benefits from the drugs, but just their ego?
Itâs a very rare highly competitive athlete who doesnât take any actions in the grey area. Especially, when everyone else is doing it and not getting caught.
So draft packs form, swims get rough, etc.
When you apply that dynamic to microdosing, where the assumption is that most if not all are doing it and itâs almost impossible to get caught and convicted⌠Then the moral hazard will definitely slide towards taking the drug you think everyone else is taking.
Itâs far more likely all of those rationales paint the story of Imo playing that game and getting caught rather than both her and/or her partner having no idea, no idea! that his PED use could impact her.
You are comparing professional triathletes with physique conscious gym bunnies and suggesting their drug taking morals are similar. I think you are so wide of the mark that your fall of shot is a danger to the adjacent firing range.
What evidence is there that âthat most if not all are microdosingâ. You are just making this up. And the vast majority of athletes including pros have a robust moral compass, and much too lose, unlike gym bunnies with an inferiority complex. Iâm making this up too: no evidence.
Since your ârationalesâ are deeply flawed the âstory painted byâ Simmonds is âfar more likelyâ than microdosing (11 days before Taupo) with a drug which at microdose levels. The âamount of Ligandrol (metabolites) found in her OOC sample was classified as âvery lowâ and considered to be pharmacologically irrelevant. It would have no performance enhancing effects at this level.â
Of course It doesnât matter what you/we, I and the dog think: itâll be up to the ITA Hearing Panel to decide.
Thereâs something people are missing - cheating is HARD!!!
There are so many things to think about: planning, sourcing, obtaining, using, hiding, lying, keeping your story straight, cover-ups, payoffs, hiding the payoffs
Mike Rossi tried to collect $10K from LetsRun at a local Turkey Trot and got busted because his math was wrong
Racing clean is so much easier
I could be wrong
Shocked that the thread keeps going. Just shocked.
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I would actually take it a step further in the other direction.
Catching dopers is hard. Like the company line of âIâve passed every testâ no longer really means your âcleanâ. It simply means you never failed a test. Which basically sucks for the actual true clean athletes. And yes it should and will mean if you pass tests, your âcleanâ. But with so many factors, we actually have no clue actually is clean. Itâs why itâs funny when dopers get caught and everyone comes out with âdoping sucksâ, and yet not every single athlete comes out with that narrative, and we literally pick apart whoâs sitting higher from a moral standpoint on said subjectâŚlike itâs sorta wild. So then it goes back to the whole âdo we like youââŚyes or noâŚthatâs seemingly the starting point with some of these doping narrative.
A sport like triathlon is setup to have more dopers than people want to let on:
-increase in professional money over the last decade
-sophistication of âmicro-dopingâ vs what it was 30 years ago
-the lack of actual testing that is going on within the sport
And of course doping controls is expensive as hell, so doping controls is always going to be âbehindâ the dopers. So you appreciate the effort they can do, I just have no faith that there is a âtiny numberâ of elites out there doping in our sport.
By default when you have very limited resources to go after doping, you of course will have very few positives. That doesnât mean your sport is then âcleanâ or proof that there is only a small number of dopers in our sport. That would be a very flawed pov/take imo.
(And no Iâ'm not saying âallâ elites are doping. Iâm more saying that our sport doesnât have the financial means to actually provide testing numbers that more accurately portray whether we are in fact a âcleanâ or a âdirtyâ sport.)
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No shitâŚTalk about flogging a dead horse.
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I hope Simmonds lawyers are working as hard as you, defending her, have to hand it you you are relentless. 
But some of your arguments fall in the âtrust me broâ category. You canât prove that only a tiny minority of athletes dope. Experience shows us that many doctors working with athletes are way ahead of the testing authorities. Not saying that all or none are, simply flagging that no one knows for sure.
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ajax has been taking special pills again. if i was training 20-25 hours per week and needed to then race on top of that (to, yâknow, win and make $$ to pay the bills) i would be taking whatever dose i could get my hands on. doing that much training your little friend in the pants dont work too good and you feel complete garbage unless you get some help.
Actually no, Collin didnât want to name names but the way he described it he felt most of them are using PEDs. I didnât say that most ARE â IâM TALKING about the assumption in the competitive dynamic mixed with the moral hazard created by âuseful lawyersâ to turn a phrase who can make positive tests disappear.
Youâre a pro athlete looking around hearing about microdosing and how hard it is to catch if done properly and how if you are caught you can create an air of deniability⌠Yes the assumption to anyone who is cheating certainly is that most if not all of everyone else is cheating.
âDonât burn down [Communist Party] committees; build your ownâ - Polish democratic opposition legend in the 1970s.
Time to hijack this thread guys - the one thing the Slowtwitch community knows how to do like nobody else.
Because Iâve been wondering, would you put pineapple on a pizza, assuming no Italians are present?
I never willingly order pizza with pineapple, but if thereâs one available, Iâll ear a slice. I donât love it, but I donât hate it either.
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