IMMOO Bike course thoughts

I went to Madison and rode 70 miles of the course this AM…the “string”, one loop, and the string back to the city. I know this will get me in a little hot water, but I’m wondering whether a nice light road bike would really be the best choice for that course…especially if you aren’t really out to place or qualify.

I’ve ridden it an awful lot and I bet this morning I was on the aero bars for maybe 20 of the 70 miles. As many of you know it is up, down, turns, corners, quick tough climbs, really all the way through. You can go fast in spots and in the end I’m sure that if I do do the race I’ll keep the Aerolites on the bike, but I think it would be fun to ride that course with an Extralight or a Madone or…

One thing is for sure…it was 65 and overcast this AM and it was a heck of a lot easier to ride than last September’s race day sun and 90 degree temps!

I totally agree with you. I raced there last year and after doing some training rides and then racing it, I was thinking the same thing throughout the day. I also believe it would also be possible to qualify on especially if you were trained to run off different bike set ups. It is somewhat technical for an IM course.

What kind of wheels did you use ( or do you recommend) for this course.

I use a pair of Ritchey WCS --16 spoke front 20 spoke rear…a fairly lightweight low spoke count clincher wheelset. I have ridden the course with a front HED 3 and a HED Jet and, especially with the Jet, found it a little dicey on some of the fast descents (there is one where I almost hit 45 mph yesterday) depending on wind direction.

Disc? We had a little thread about this a few months back. Having ridden the course a lot I wouldn’t use a disc, but I have seen (a few) of them out there and I am sure some other folks will tell you you can and should. I own a disc but wouldn’t use it there…too much quick up and down and unless the disc is really light, the second time around the loop can get really taxing on the legs.

Hey Mark, Perhaps you can answer a question that struck me during my training ride yesterday: Would I really be much better off riding my tribike at IMOO over my road bike with aerobars? I like my tribike, but, I feel that I ride with more power and climb better with the roadbike, and I find it more comfortable. I may lose some aero advantage with my roadie, but I may gain a fair amount of other advantages. What’s your thought on this?

Yes, I agree. Ride a road bike and do not run a disc. It will give me more of an advantage.

On bike and wheel choice…it probably has alot to do with what your particular goals are…if you are looking for an age group placing etc you may want to look for every aero advantage you can…though I think it’s the run legs you’ll have left after all those hills that will make the difference in your final result!

The course can obviously be ridden fast with aero equipment by those who decide that is the best choice for them. I have exclusively used a road bike with clip ons and then experimented with wheel choices, going with lightweight spoked road wheels. Other folks may have different ideas but it is a long, technical 112 miles and that seems to work best for me.

I road a fully tricked out HED 3 front and rear disc at a slightly rolling sprint tri last week and that was the best choice there. The Wisconsin course is a whole 'nother thing. Good Luck!

Yupper, it is the IMoooo 112 mile Crit. No time to get aero, you have to turn damnit.

I have relatives that live in Verona and have been riding the roads around that area for a many years. Last year at IMWI I rode a road bike because I believe, like you have now discovered, that there are very few places to actually get on the aero bars since there are so many curves and ups/downs. I bought a carbon frame the year before specifically for this course.

This year I will put some aero clips on my bars but I’m looking for some very small ones.

Also, I did not use a disc and instead used Bontragers X-Lites. I was happy with my set up.

I got sick on the bike from the heat last year so I really don’t know what my best time could have been. Hopefully I’ll find out this year.

Having said this I know that a lot of persons had very good bike splits with tri-bikes, much better times than me. So don’t listen to me.

2x IMmooer here. Both were on my tri bike with a 909 set. A “light” disc can certainly be used…

I’d just steer you to whatever bike you’re MOST comfortable in…b/c it can turn into a long day. The ride back to Madison was (is) a tough one.

For a lil hypocricy…since I’ve been riding my road bike MUCH more this year, I would ride it with some Profile Jammer GTs, not certainly NOT a full clip on. Read Slowman’s article on set-up!!! But, I’m not going this year b/c for Placid and Florida…perhaps Ultraman in between.

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Disclaimer: I am not the absolute best cyclist, but I have turned in some okay IM bike splits. People’s mileage may vary on the opinion below.

I lived about two miles from the bike course and frequently rode much of the course during regular training rides even before IM came to town. As others can attest the terrain around the IM Wisconsin course is quite similar to that of the race route.

That being said, as others have pointed out, the course consists, with few exceptions of the following

  1. a number of flat or rolling sections (picture the “string” out of Madison to Verona, about half of the ride from Verona to Mount Horeb, as well as a few sections from Mount Horeb to Cross Plains and much of the road from Cross Plains back to Verona)

  2. a number of shallower climbs that are a bit longer in length (picture climb into Mount Horeb, a few climbs between Mount Horeb and Cross Plains, the long climb between Cross Plains and Verona just before “the wall” and Old Middleton Rd (?) just as you turn off of Timber Lane towards Verona)

  3. a few short “violent” climbs (picture hill just outside of Verona, multiple climbs between Mount Horeb and Cross Plains and of course “the wall” on Timber Lane between Cross Plains and Verona)

Considering these three different sections, #1 describes the longest section of road in terms of mileage, perhaps as high at 40-50% of the route. I think the #2 sections may account for about another 30-40%, while the #3 sections account for the remaining 10-30%.

So, which setup to use? Personally, I would lean towards a full tri setup. Most of my logic has to do with how I like to climb. I’m either in the saddle and in the aerobars (perhaps choking up) or I’m out of the saddle. I do from time to time ride seated and on the flats, but that’s rare for me.

That being said, I come out ahead in the #1 sections and can get through the #2 sections okay and regardless of my setup, I’ll be close to the same speed in the #3 sections (and about as "un"comfortable in both).

With a road bike, I would be slower in the #1 sections, slightly faster in the #2 sections and about the same, perhaps slightly faster in the #3 sections.

Now, if I were the type of climber who preferred staying seating more, and rode in the flats more often then getting out of the saddle, my approach would be different.

Under that scenario, I’d still be slower in the #1 sections, I’d be faster with a road bike in the #2 sections and #3 again really wouldn’t matter much. With a more seated style of climbing with a tri bike, the trade off would again be between the #1 and #2 sections (#1 being faster, #2 being slower).

I guess what it gets down to for me is how you climb/handle your tri bike. Because I can climb about as well with it as I do with a road bike, there’s not much of a decision to make. If, however, it was difficult for me to get up hills on my tri setup, especially in the shallow to moderate climbs, then I’d be further ahead with a road bike.

As for wheel choice, I think that also comes down to a personal preference and comfort issue. I ride on Deep V Zipps and use them for pretty much every race terrain. If I had a disk, I would probably ride that for everything. The only portions of the IM WI course I’d be hesitant on would be the relatively technical decent between Mount Horeb and Cross Plains and perhaps “the wall” on Timber Lane.

In the end, I think it depends mostly on your climbing style and how comfortable you are on your tri bike. If I were you, I would make up my decision fairly soon, and stick with it. As the race gets closer the last thing you want to be thinking about is bike choice and whether you’re going with the right setup. Been there, done that, and hope not to make that mistake again.

I hope this helps some… and good luck at IM WI.