IAAF Track Works: Bolt-Gatlin-Farah-Thompson-Felix-Van Niekerk

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Us Brits having a shocker, what’s the fall out going to be like after this? Maybe we pick up a couple of more medals in the relays and obviously Mo.

Is there a chance of funds being pulled?

Five 4th places so far though, and all from young athletes so is it really that bad? Apart from KJT in the hep and maybe Muir in the 1500 has anyone really underperformed? The 6-8 medal target seemed rather optimistic to me.

Hopefuly the people making the decisions see it that way, there’s a lot of money being pumped into sport (The majority lottery isn’t it?) I’m sure there are a few nervous people in charge at a high level worried over there jobs.

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Us Brits having a shocker, what’s the fall out going to be like after this? Maybe we pick up a couple of more medals in the relays and obviously Mo.

Is there a chance of funds being pulled?

Five 4th places so far though, and all from young athletes so is it really that bad? Apart from KJT in the hep and maybe Muir in the 1500 has anyone really underperformed? The 6-8 medal target seemed rather optimistic to me.

Hopefuly the people making the decisions see it that way, there’s a lot of money being pumped into sport (The majority lottery isn’t it?) I’m sure there are a few nervous people in charge at a high level worried over there jobs.

Looks like GB got into the finals in the 4x400 for tonite. It is too bad how funding like this works in most countries, but rewarding only after winning vs rewarding for potential so you can use the money and build and win. Basically it’s like VC’s funding a company once they have success vs funding a company that has high potential and needs money to get to success. So in essence, the next generation of potential can only get funded if the current generation is winning. By definition the next gen is not winning “yet” even though you may be sitting on a future Usein Bolt or Mo Farah. You need the current champions winning to bring in money for the next round the way things are funded in most countries. The US is a different animal because they effectively have a pro sports farm system built into their university system with an insane amount of private sector money coming into Div 1 sports via gates receipts, TV and sponsorships for the biggest sports funding the other sports. The rest of the world does not put any real emphasis on sport in the college system (as it should be). So then its down to the sports funding themselves through sponsorship, gate receipts, memberships and govt $$$ infusions.

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Here is the line up for tonite’s 4x100 final, Bolt’s final race:

POSRANKHEATATHLETECOUNTRYRESULTSMS*111UNITED STATEShttps://media.aws.iaaf.org/Flags/USA.gifUSA37.70 Q WL221GREAT BRITAIN & N.I.https://media.aws.iaaf.org/Flags/GBR.gifGBR37.76 Q SB312JAMAICAhttps://media.aws.iaaf.org/Flags/JAM.gifJAM37.95 Q SB422FRANCEhttps://media.aws.iaaf.org/Flags/FRA.gifFRA38.03 Q SB532PR OF CHINAhttps://media.aws.iaaf.org/Flags/CHN.gifCHN38.20 Q 631JAPANhttps://media.aws.iaaf.org/Flags/JPN.gifJPN38.21 Q SB741TURKEYhttps://media.aws.iaaf.org/Flags/TUR.gifTUR38.44 q SB842CANADAhttps://media.aws.iaaf.org/Flags/CAN.gifCAN38.48 q
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The steeple was a great race. Some good tactical racing, but unlike some of the men’s races I’ve seen lately (1500, 5k, etc) the strategy didn’t get in the way of fast times. Coburn looked really smooth and made a great move to the inside on the last water jump

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Her last water jump was perfect. She used it to launch herself far down the water where it is less deep and less steep and carried the momentum into the dry part of the track. It’s like she instantly opened up 6-8 feet gap right there and then just sustained that momentum rather than having to expend energy accelerating her her body up to speed after the massive deceleration when you land with more a vertical component (which her competition had to do). All the potential energy at the top of the jump she just converted mainly to forward kinetic energy. Very nicely done.

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Us Brits having a shocker, what’s the fall out going to be like after this? Maybe we pick up a couple of more medals in the relays and obviously Mo.

Is there a chance of funds being pulled?

Five 4th places so far though, and all from young athletes so is it really that bad? Apart from KJT in the hep and maybe Muir in the 1500 has anyone really underperformed? The 6-8 medal target seemed rather optimistic to me.

Hopefuly the people making the decisions see it that way, there’s a lot of money being pumped into sport (The majority lottery isn’t it?) I’m sure there are a few nervous people in charge at a high level worried over there jobs.

Looks like GB got into the finals in the 4x400 for tonite. It is too bad how funding like this works in most countries, but rewarding only after winning vs rewarding for potential so you can use the money and build and win. Basically it’s like VC’s funding a company once they have success vs funding a company that has high potential and needs money to get to success. So in essence, the next generation of potential can only get funded if the current generation is winning. By definition the next gen is not winning “yet” even though you may be sitting on a future Usein Bolt or Mo Farah. You need the current champions winning to bring in money for the next round the way things are funded in most countries. The US is a different animal because they effectively have a pro sports farm system built into their university system with an insane amount of private sector money coming into Div 1 sports via gates receipts, TV and sponsorships for the biggest sports funding the other sports. The rest of the world does not put any real emphasis on sport in the college system (as it should be). So then its down to the sports funding themselves through sponsorship, gate receipts, memberships and govt $$$ infusions.

I find that funding policy strange too. Isn’t it obvious that in sports you need to follow a long term plan and can’t expect immediate success when building something from scratch. In Switzerland it is a bit different too. We have no highschool and college sports system but are organised through clubs. If you are a promising runner or sprinter you receive no support through school but you attend an athletics club after school.
We also need to be careful with out talent, as our pool is very small.

I am looking forward to the 5000 tonight. Mo looked very strong last friday and in the prelims. But when it gets as nervous as on Wednesday a lot can tappen. My money is still on Mo though, as I am no fool.

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Us Brits having a shocker, what’s the fall out going to be like after this? Maybe we pick up a couple of more medals in the relays and obviously Mo.

Is there a chance of funds being pulled?

Five 4th places so far though, and all from young athletes so is it really that bad? Apart from KJT in the hep and maybe Muir in the 1500 has anyone really underperformed? The 6-8 medal target seemed rather optimistic to me.

Hopefuly the people making the decisions see it that way, there’s a lot of money being pumped into sport (The majority lottery isn’t it?) I’m sure there are a few nervous people in charge at a high level worried over there jobs.

Looks like GB got into the finals in the 4x400 for tonite. It is too bad how funding like this works in most countries, but rewarding only after winning vs rewarding for potential so you can use the money and build and win. Basically it’s like VC’s funding a company once they have success vs funding a company that has high potential and needs money to get to success. So in essence, the next generation of potential can only get funded if the current generation is winning. By definition the next gen is not winning “yet” even though you may be sitting on a future Usein Bolt or Mo Farah. You need the current champions winning to bring in money for the next round the way things are funded in most countries. The US is a different animal because they effectively have a pro sports farm system built into their university system with an insane amount of private sector money coming into Div 1 sports via gates receipts, TV and sponsorships for the biggest sports funding the other sports. The rest of the world does not put any real emphasis on sport in the college system (as it should be). So then its down to the sports funding themselves through sponsorship, gate receipts, memberships and govt $$$ infusions.

I find that funding policy strange too. Isn’t it obvious that in sports you need to follow a long term plan and can’t expect immediate success when building something from scratch. In Switzerland it is a bit different too. We have no highschool and college sports system but are organised through clubs. If you are a promising runner or sprinter you receive no support through school but you attend an athletics club after school.
We also need to be careful with out talent, as our pool is very small.

I am looking forward to the 5000 tonight. Mo looked very strong last friday and in the prelims. But when it gets as nervous as on Wednesday a lot can tappen. My money is still on Mo though, as I am no fool.

Smaller countries really do have to optimze how they allocate their sports dollars if they want champions to emerge given the smaller gene pool and participant base to pick from. USA can easily use the brute force “survival of the strongest” approach as there is enough depth and enough capital in the system for the worlds best to emerge out of such a system. To some extent, GB at around 1/6th of the us could do reasonably well, just through a survival of the fittest approach. Smaller countries really need to be smart. I’d hold up New Zealand as a gold standard of how many world class athletes they produce across sports given the tiny sub 5 million population and given that so many get sucked into Rugby and Cricket (which by the way, they are basically the top tier in all the time…it’s insane they can constantly beat India in cricket with 1300 million in India vs <5M in NZ…and it baffles me how badly India can suck in track too. No reason why India cannot produce high caliber middle distance and long distance runners. Sprinting is a different animal).

Back to the racing. Mo on deck at 20:20 UK time (15:20 EDT for me) and Bolt on at 21:50 (16:50 EDT). Here we go!!!

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Any predictions?

I say for the 5000m, Mo cranks out a 52.xx final lap
To win the 4x100m, my prediction it will take at least a 37.25

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There guys are idiots…71 second lap 2 and 3.

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Any predictions?

I say for the 5000m, Mo cranks out a 52.xx final lap
To win the 4x100m, my prediction it will take at least a 37.25

I got the 52.xx last lap correct but assumed that if Mo did that he would win!!! Awesome race!!!

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Well the medal table isn’t looking too bad tonight for us Brits! Well done the mens 4x100.

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Well the medal table isn’t looking too bad tonight for us Brits! Well done the mens 4x100.

…and I was wrong that it would take a sub 37.25 for the win. Really awesome race by the Brits on both relays!!! Good final day for you guys!

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Well the medal table isn’t looking too bad tonight for us Brits! Well done the mens 4x100.

…and I was wrong that it would take a sub 37.25 for the win. Really awesome race by the Brits on both relays!!! Good final day for you guys!

It was all doom and gloom yesterday, I was even wondering if it was possible we’d get some funds pulled.

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A reminder of the fact that you best consider you may be photographed at any given moment and your behavior may be immortalized during any of those moments.

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That 5000 m reminded me of a cycling “finale”. Tiernan went away but was no real threat. But you still have to make sure th e breakaway does not get too much room. Farah was the favourite (the jellow Jersey, or Peter Sagan, the world champion) and the ethiopians let him do the work and keep Tiernan at bay.
At the Ende they even set up a small sprint train.

But the winner was the strongest yesterday. He did win because he was the fittest and also applied smart tactics. Farah likely still felt that 26:49 and the prelims. After all it only shows he is human.

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That 5000 m reminded me of a cycling “finale”. Tiernan went away but was no real threat. But you still have to make sure th e breakaway does not get too much room. Farah was the favourite (the jellow Jersey, or Peter Sagan, the world champion) and the ethiopians let him do the work and keep Tiernan at bay.
At the Ende they even set up a small sprint train.

But the winner was the strongest yesterday. He did win because he was the fittest and also applied smart tactics. Farah likely still felt that 26:49 and the prelims. After all it only shows he is human.

This is a great analogy. My wife felt that Farah (the yellow jersey guy) was doing way too much work keeping the “breakaway” close enough. Meanwhile the "other teams’ were drafting and saving energy for the stage finish sprint. Those 71 second early laps could have played into his hands if he chose to sit at the middle or back as he has done for many races and draft. At 60 second lap speed with full frontal it is 24 kph. They are pushing way more air than an aero cyclist at that speed. Drafting is probably equivalent to what a cyclist may experience in the low 30 kph range so it is pretty significant. It seems like Mo had no draft for the mile of race (which they ran in exactly 4 minutes) and ran out of gas for his usual sprint.

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Where is Halvard???..Ingebritson the white kenyan dives for bronze. Brilliant race! Do the Kenyans give him honorary Kenyan status?

By the way, Sebastian Coe beats these guys in 1984!

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I dunno which race you were watching! To me it looks like he put the squeeze on the guy on the inside, saw he was still coming and just plain cut him off with a few metres to go, for which he received a shove over the line! I can’t see that result standing.

Anyway, what’s the collective thoughts on the women’s 5000m?! I was not surprised to hear that these are Ayana’s first races outside of Ethiopia this year… what a joke.

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I dunno which race you were watching! To me it looks like he put the squeeze on the guy on the inside, saw he was still coming and just plain cut him off with a few metres to go, for which he received a shove over the line! I can’t see that result standing.

Anyway, what’s the collective thoughts on the women’s 5000m?! I was not surprised to hear that these are Ayana’s first races outside of Ethiopia this year… what a joke.

Pink: Well she loaded up on Special Teff as usually. But for the kick she would need some additional Jamaican Superbananas. But they have a hard time harvesting it over there, so they won’t give any away. It’s not even enough for themsleves, as proven again right now.

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I watched Gabby Logan talk with Denise Louise the other day and the latter mentioned Team GB was expecting six medals. With the medal table now final it seems they were spot on, but boy do they owe Dwayne Cowan after that second 400. A simply magnificent run.