I have no idea what Justice means

I used to believe that the term meant that the most fair and equitable outcome has been arrived at, following a thorough and objective assessment of all available and relevant evidence. A recurring protest theme this year has been people demanding justice, but defining it entirely (and explicity in some cases) as getting the outcome they desire, irrespective of the evidence. And now this, from the prosecuting attorney from the latest white cop-black victim no indictment shooting:


(CNN) – A district attorney has decided against charges in the case of a police officer who fatally shot a mentally ill man more than a dozen times in Milwaukee.

The officer, Christopher Manney, killed Dontre Hamilton during a confrontation in April.

The officer says he opened fire when Hamilton grabbed his baton and struck him with it.

Manney has since been fired for not following protocols, but he will not be charged.

In a report, he wrote that the officer’s use of force was “justified self-defense and that defense cannot be reasonably overcome to establish a basis to charge Officer Manney with a crime.**”“I’ve come to the conclusion that criminal charges are not appropriate in this case, and I am releasing all of the information related to this investigation so that you, the public, can see all the facts related to this decision,” **Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm told reporters Monday.

Chisholm anticipated that some might be upset with his decision and, in fact, protesters took to the streets Monday night.

According to local media, the officer is white; Hamilton was black.

"On a human level, of course it’s tragic. Anytime I have to tell a family that I can’t bring justice to them when one of their loved ones has died, it’s always tragic. It’s terrible," Chisholm said.

So, either I’ve been operating on an incorrect definition of the word all this time, or we’ve just collectively given up on its proper usage.

Personally, I’d rather use the word as a substitute for “two whole milk, two splenda,” so that I can save all the verbiage and speed up my morning coffee order. “One large, make it justice. Thanks.” Seems fair enough to me.

Just say, “Doubledouble, splenda”. At least when you are in Canada anyway.

Isn’t it “coffee regular” at Timmy’s?

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As I read this, John Chisholm, is the bringer of justice.

But, it goes further than that. Sure, justice is what John Chisholm brings; however, only John Chisholm can bring justice. So logically, if John Chisholm does not bring anything, then John Chisholm does not bring justice. And, therefore, that means nobody gets justice.

Does that clear it up?

‘Justice’ has many definitions, with many shades of gray. It’s not an engineering term

While I’d assume a DA would avoid confusion by always referring to the better-defined “legal justice” when using the term ‘justice’, I think in this case he’s referring to the not uncommon situation where one’s opinion on “poetic justice” does not coincide with the legal tools available to provide legal justice. Not at all uncommon that DAs let bad guys walk even when they “know” the guy did something wrong. Happens every other episode on every cop show!

I don’t know the details of this case, but it could be that the cop made some poor decisions that escalated a situation, leading him to - justifiably - use lethal force. Not enough grounds for criminal charge. But no “poetic justice” for the relatives of the deceased.

I believe this cop was fired? That lends credence to my speculation. Though I’m sure some here would rather assume it’s the cops “caving in” to political correctness. I don’t have enough information to decide which yet…

You sir are just clearly a throwback from the old days when words had meanings. Today we get to use them for whatever we want to, to a definition that suits our needs.

~Matt

Isn’t it “coffee regular” at Timmy’s?

How to speak Canadian at Timmys:

Regular = 1 cream + 1 sugar
Double-Double = 2 cream + 2 sugar
Honey Cruller = what you should be eating with your double double
Homo Milk = What guys put in their coffee if they’re watching their girlish figure. (Its actually a standard term in Canada for 3.25%m.f. homogenized milk. Popular with straight folk as well.)
Tuque = a knitted winter hat. Perfectly acceptable to wear one inside a Timmy’s between November and March

Coffee regular will get you one cream one sugar. If you want two cream, two Splenda you say double double splenda. If you say double double you’ll get sugar.

Um homo milk is extra fat. If you are watching your girlish figure then you would ask for skim milk.

I’m trying to figure out why so many of the situations where people “demand justice” involve someone resisting arrest, or fighting police officers.

I’m not sure what you think justice should look like in this case, but it appears the prosecutor is saying there is no way for him to prove it was not self defense. (I’ve only read what you posted and do not know any other facts) In which case perhaps he should not say he could not get justice for the family.

OTH, his department has dismissed him because they believe he went to far. It is probably harder to prove a crime has been committed than it is to prove administrative procedures were not followed during the confrontation.

I’m not sure what you think justice should look like in this case, but it appears the prosecutor is saying there is no way for him to prove it was not self defense. (I’ve only read what you posted and do not know any other facts) In which case perhaps he should not say he could not get justice for the family.

OTH, his department has dismissed him because they believe he went to far. It is probably harder to prove a crime has been committed than it is to prove administrative procedures were not followed during the confrontation.

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Um homo milk is extra fat. If you are watching your girlish figure then you would ask for skim milk.

I could never emasculate myself to the point of asking for skim milk. I can only deduce that your figure is more girlish than mine.

In April, Mikwaukee Officer Christopher Manney came up behind Dontre Hamilton in response to a call that he was sleeping in the park. Observing apparent symptoms of mental illness, Manney placed his arms around Hamilton from behind, in a pat-down that triggered a confrontation between the two men. Punches were thrown, Manney began beating Hamilton with a baton, and when Hamilton took the baton from Manney and allegedly began using it against Manney, Manney fired his gun, killing Hamilton.

No announcement has been made yet on whether criminal charges will be filed against Manney. But this week, police officials announcedhe would be fired. Chief Edward Flynn said Manney violated police protocol for treatment of the mentally disturbed when he patted Hamilton down from behind.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/10/17/3580928/milwaukee-police-department-fires-officer-who-shot-and-killed-schizophrenic-man/

Nabob. My figure is getting plumper by the hour.

Bad police work resulting in justifiable homicide. Seems to be the case in many of these situations.

Buford T. Justice…

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Man you are full of weighty topics this week.