I’m still trying to figure out his latest article on seat angles. Near as I can figure, it has something to do with the center of the saddle and when the moon is in the 7th house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.
Riding-What-Feels-Comfortable Tony
Glad it wasn’t just me.
Saints alive that bloke has a big brain.
Whew…somebody else that’s pretty smart can’t figure it out either. I feel better about myself now 
Not-Totally-Stooopid Tony
Whew…somebody else that’s pretty smart can’t figure it out either. I feel better about myself now
Not-Totally-Stooopid Tony
Pretty smart?
Mate, NZ schooling consists of counting sheep…when you get to 535 they give you a degree! Its a twagedy…
S’aight, bud. Helen Clark’s got it all figured out. NZ sheep are the world’s finest, I hear, and there’ll always be a market for 'em, so unemployment won’t be a worry
Besides, with scenery and a beautiful country like you’re living in, why worry about becoming a CEO of some giant, economy-raping multinational like we here in the States do? :-))
Not-Desperate-Enough-For-Sheep (yet) Tony
It’s all about communication. Dan is on a mission to establish a common vocabulary for tri bike fitting. As it is now, when three people quote seat angle for a given rider/bike combination, you may very easily get three different numbers.
Remember the “Larsen rides steep” threads? Well, sure, his seat was back more than some other riders, but he was a very tippy nose of the saddle rider - so what was his (effective) seat angle, really? Probably not that shallow.
How do we determine the points in space that allow us to measure position consistantly, and communicate those measurements to others? Stack and reach are the first steps, Dan is working on “real” seat angle next. The article was just your opportunity to see the gears spinning around…
The next step should be a more rigorous definition of “where-you-sit”. What defines where exactly you sit? From which point do you measure? Middle of taint? Middle of pressure zone? For the larger of us, maybe the back of my ass rides slack, while at the same time I’m scrotally steep. I think for truly accurate actual-angle measurements we’re going to need the anal probe. Maybe Ves can build one of those onto the next custom fitting rig.
I was so used to the goverment shoving it up my ass I was a nose rider to. But I changed 10 years after I got out of the USMC . Boy is riding fun now. Sit back an enjoy .
Dirt
I had to reread that article several times, but I think it could have probably be summed up in one sentence:
“it’s where your ass is in relation to the BB that determines your effective seat angle”.
Or something like that 
BTW, how you enjoying the Michigan winter?
This thread may help you (or not):
Put the saddle anywhere between 5cm behind (UCI/USCF future) and 5cm ahead of the bb. Scoot up on the seat or move back and train 25 hrs a week and kick the shit out of you buddies.
I think we spend way way too much time debating whether Macca is riding at 76 or 78 degrees as his seat angle can change 5 degrees by scooting around on his saddle. Or if Peter Reid on his 73 degree bike is really at 77.5 degrees or not. The idea is to get comfortable and train harder than your competition. Or talk to your freindly neighborhood Balco distributor.
Hope everyone has a good New Year. Aloha G
**BTW, how you enjoying the Michigan winter? **
My ass is back on a flight to Honolulu this Saturday, the 1st. And thank God for that. But, it was 59F today, here in the metro Detroit area, and I actually got outside and did a 30 minute hard run out on the roads, so it hasn’t been a total bust
Chilly Willy Tony