for the longest time, ive been running on adidas supernova controls and honestly, it fits me really well.
the thing that I just hate the most about it is its weight. weighs like a ship.
i had a customized orthotic done… in hopes of trying to be able to wear flats. or any other neutral, lighter shoe.
didnt seem to work as well.
bought newtons stability and slipped my orthotics in em but wound up getting injured and experienced a lot of weird foot pains. like my toes going numb.
but yep… i broke em in before running any significant distance.
tried a couple of other brands like asics, nb, and mizuno but i just cant find a shoe to make my orthotic work.
i still pronate a lot in em.
if i buy their motion control shoes, its gonna defeat my purpose of buying a new one. its just gonna be a same weight as my adidas.
thing is those orthotics costs a damn lot and its a shame if i cant use em. cant make em work when i put em inside my adidas.
should i just HTFU and stick with my motion control shoes? even if it weighs that much? need your advice.
also, what shoes do you guys use to go with your orthotic?
got an orthotic coz i thought that would finally let me wear any shoes i like.
I think the notion is to get a neutral shoe and then use the insert. the newton shoes (any racing type shoe) are not made to be used with an insert in my opinion. they have minimal support and any added support you add to the shoe will just cause problems. I run with Asics DS Trainers (13 & 14) + insert and dont have any problems. You prob just need to find a shoe thats right for you…prob take some trial/error unfortunately.
Also…you might want to consider just speding 30 bux for some superfeet and try those to see if you like’em. I spent some $$$ for custom inserts but have not used them since I switched over to superfeet (green).
I’m in the same situation - a few years back I got custom orthotics that help correct a whole host of issues, but this required a change from my old motion control shoes. My podiatrist switched me to a neutral / cushioning shoe, a Brooks Glycerin.
I agree, motion control shoes and the orthotic are way too much. I went the route of custom orthotics and a lighter shoe, tried both neutral cushioned with the orthotic and the stability shoe but my feet were much happier in the MC shoes though they are significantly heavier. I train in Brooks Beast but race in Asics Gel evolution which are a little lighter. For me, it was a question of pain while running in the lighter shoes and significant foot pain in the aftermath or comfort (though it feels like I’m running in combat boots) in the MC shoes. I haven’t tried the NIKE MC shoe yet but I hear it’s the lightest in the category.
yep. mc+orthotics are way too much… plus they made the shoes heavier!
too bad we dont have brooks here in our country. ive been hearing a lot of good things about that shoe.
so i guess i should just sticking to motion controls.
just wondering if the immediate discomfort im feeling when trying on neutral+orthotics or stability+orthotics is a result of my feet just getting used to the mc shoes? should i just give time for my biomechanics to get used to it?
I was in a similar situation and developed plantar fascia with the strongest Asics motion control shoe. I overpronated so much that they would be beat before I ran 100 miles in them. I started to use superfeet blue orthotics with the shoes and still it didn’t help all that much. Later, b/c of lower back pain and plantar fascia i went to see a physical therapist. I now do more core work and different stabilizer stuff related to my hips and hamstrings along with a specific stretch routine. I also switched to the Brooks Beast. I like running in the Brooks Beast especially because I dont need the orthotic anymore, it feels like a luxury shoe. But regardless of the shoe i think the biggest difference was my work with a physical therapist. i really suggest going in for an asessment to see what a good PT would say. it is worth the copay. if i had just listened to the podiatrist about my plantar fascias i probably be running in custom orthotics and still doing the plantar fascias stretches. Feel free to PM if you have any specific questions.
I know you paid a lot for the orthotic but you should look into Superfeet with a neutral or light stabilty shoe like the Brooks adrenaline or ASICS 2140. Superfeet are designed to help hold the calcaneus in place, which doesn’t let it slide out and, in turn, allow your foot to pronate. It allows your foot to function the way it is supposed to for only $35 or so.
Any idea of your arch type? I am thinking you have a pretty normal/high arch as the adidas run narrow to begin with.
Folks are absolutely spot on with the fact that orthotics aren’t meant to be worn with flats or even lightweight neutral shoes.
Besides…adding a substantial orthotic to a neutral shoe will be as or more heavy then a stability shoe…
highly recommend custom orthotics with the brooks glycerin. i have been using the combo for 3 years. i loved the G5, freaked when they changed the shoe in the G6, and now have purchased and thoroughly enjoy my big honking orthotics in the newly redesigned Glycerin 7.
what i have always like about brooks is the big toe box. it really makes it easy to get your orthotic in there.
my insurance paid for a new pair of custom orthotics, so i told my PT to get me as low profile, minimal orthotic that still helped my super flat arch. i am planning on taking it shopping for a pair of very light trainers or possibly a racer.
i dont think its possible to just HTFU and go without orthotics if you have a super flat foot - the arch shape in your foot acts as a spring - so if you have no arch, the rest of the foot takes a beating, even if you are way up on mid sole and/or toes.
Glycerin with orthotics. I was doing to overcorrectuion with the orthotic and the Addictions. I finally figure out to go with a neutral, cushioned shoe with my orthotics. I"ve worn Brooks since I started running.
i run a lot and just finished my 1st ironman last february using my adidas mc shoes.
running is definitely not my forte though.
before i got into this whole mc, neutral, cushioning mumbo jumbo i just run with whatever shoe i have.
developed a lot of ankle and knee injuries cause of it.
i have almost zero arch. flat as a pancake.
so if orthotics arent meant to be worn with flats, what shoe should i use em with? neutrals?
ramasan i’d to try a pair of brooks but unfortunately we dont have that here in the philippines. so my options are pretty much limited to adidas, mizuno, nb, nike, and asics.
pit… yup they told me it would work with any shoe. the one created my orthotic is also the one who creates all the orthotics of the pros here. national team members and basketball players.
ramasan i’d to try a pair of brooks but unfortunately we dont have that here in the philippines. so my options are pretty much limited to adidas, mizuno, nb, nike, and asics.
This will probably be counter intuitive to you but it has worked for me. I had been running in Brooks Beast (large puffy bricks) for years. Currently 5’10" and 185. I quit bodybuilding a few years back and am steadily losing weight (was at 215) but I digress! I have the flattest feet known to man. I read a lot of info on the “minimalist” shoe theory and set out on what I was sure would be a straight trip to major injury. Basically you wear the “least” shoe you can safely run in. It’s a progressive thing, took me months but I am one happy guy. I also had VERY expensive orthotics, haven’t used them since. I can now run in a lightweight trainer (NB 902) and can race in a Pearl Izumi Sreak (any distance). I love the feel for the road I didn’t have using the Beasts. Again, this may not work for alot of folks but I think if you approach it correctly most would be surprised how little shoe you can get by with. As an aside, I tried Newton’s. I’d rather run barefooted on hot pavement, with broken glass, with tacks thrown out, with hot embers between the glass and the tacks…not really that bad but I just couldn’t get used to them.
I do have the flatest feet ever. Expensive, big, hard custom orthotics have solved my problems, but I run with them in medium stability shoes (NB1224). Actually NB has several models and specially wides that fit perfectly.
Height and and weight - you really need to be out of motion control shoes…
MAYBE go in to something stable, or neutral with your orthotics…
I am a pretty big fan of Asics shoes as a blind recommendation - they aren’t super stable (they can be used by different types of runners), they have a good platform for an orthotic and they have a bunch of good models
I think you mentioned that you have tried these…I would be curious to hear which ones.
BUT - here is what I would recommend
Stability:
2140’s
DS Trainers**
Cushioning:
Landreth**
Cummulus
** would be ones that I would first reccomend with out seeing you run or seeing the arch.
I’d say keep trying, I have used Nike shox’s didn’t really like them, soucony, and now Reebok. For what it’s worth I think the Soucony were the best for me.
jthomps… id love to order online bro but its hard to get the sizing right.
mmduncan… same take on the newtons. i just couldnt get em to work.
i’d love to try your progressive thing approach but im afraid my ankles are running on borrowed time. had a lot of ankle injuries already. check out this overpronator… he overpronates, runs on flats, and is a bad ass runner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAW87NsiGuI
i’ll give the ds trainers and 2140’s another go.
my question now is… should i still use my orthotics with these?
IGOP
the main reason you don’t need orthotics with flats is that your heel should only kiss the ground, at most, while wearing such shoes. If you are on your forefoot your orthotic will be just useless baggage.
Racing flats and other minimalist shoes are designed for the runner to land on the toes or mid-foot. With time this will strengthen your foot (including the arch), ankles and achillies, and have you dancing on your toes. The orthotics will be consigned to your comfort shoes whilst standing around!!!