2-4 in the playoffs with 7 interceptions, and not even counting the final game of the season when they needed to beat the Raiders (a team that made it’s Monday morning tee-times in September) at home to make the playoffs and couldn’t.
That’s the guy you’d think we’d be better with? Well, we had him–and a healthy Westbrook, and he won 1 playoff game, at home against the Giants.
2-4 in the playoffs with 7 interceptions, and not even counting the final game of the season when they needed to beat the Raiders (a team that made it’s Monday morning tee-times in September) at home to make the playoffs and couldn’t.
That’s the guy you’d think we’d be better with? Well, we had him–and a healthy Westbrook, and he won 1 playoff game, at home against the Giants.
He did it with a team that wasn’t good enough to even make the playoffs with McNabb. Making the argument that he isn’t that good of a quarterback isn’t helping McNabb’s case any. The guy isn’t that good. He’s on a really good team, and personally, I give most of that credit to the coaching and management staff. Reid is a guy whom I think his positives outweigh his negatives. I can’t say the same for McNabb. Sorry, I think the guy is over rated.
Barry: you’re blind.
without mcnabb, that game yesterday woudl have been played in the Meadowlands.
… Philly fans deserve to have the team that “chokes” … at least then they’d be miserably happy … y’know like Boston fans used to be.
I mean, geez, I’m all for competitive fans, but Philly seems to take pleasure in hating all of their teams/players. Get some perspective folks.
TT: how many philly fans do you know?
my guess: zero.
we hate losing. we’re not the cubs fans.
we had 2 million people at a phillies championship parade last fall. people loved that team.
look, this eagles team was a team that, since the 04 superbowl, had gone 6-10, 10-6 (sans McNabb), 8-8, then was 5-5-1. It looked like time to change coaches. sometimes that happens; sometimes a coach has run his course for a particular team. we went on a run, but even then, this was a 9-6-1 team that keeps on making the same mistakes: passing too much, blowing time outs, not having a good hurry-up/2 minute offense. none of those are dealbreakers, but not learning from mistakes is. does mcnabb get unfair criticism? yes. (see barryP’s comments). you know why? because he’s the quarterback.
if you want to comment about philly fans, either read this book, spend some time here, or move back to subjects you actually know something about. you want to criticize fans, talk about the minnesota fans that couldn’t sell out a vikings playoff game. talk about the giants fans that threw ice at the sd charagers and knocked out one of their coaches. talk about all the cities that don’t support their teams. then ask dawkins what he thinks of eagles fans. he’s been there longer than any other eagle.
If McNabb IS indeed over rated, who do you think that team needs to get to the next level? What QB free agent or not would you want in Philly?
Maybe if they added a wr worth a shit to throw the ball to. If Curtis is the best they got, and he is they need help there too.
Isn’t Kurt Warner’s contract ending with the Cardinals this year?
He wins he retires… Kurt needs wr’s to succeed. Philly doesn’t have those. I don’t see him leaving Az if he still plays, even if Boldin does
First of all, McNabb is gone next season. That decision was made a long time ago. He is due something like $10 million if he’s on the roster next season. Not gonna happen.
All the McNabb lovers seem to forget one thing: Philly’s defense has always been very strong. Number 1, plain and simple. McNabb looks better because you can win a lot of games if you put up 21 points with a defense like that.
The reason Sunday’s game was not played in the Meadowlands is not because of McNabb. It’s because PLaxico Burress shot himself and the Eagles could blitz with their secondary instead of putting 2 guys and having a 3rd hover around him.
McNabb is a media darling because he played along with them, and took the focus off who was really being targeted when a guy made a comment 5 years ago that McNabb wasn’t that good.
Philly fans are the most well known “boo’ers” and “complainers”, not just football, but in all sports. It’s not 10 guys giving the whole city that reputation. You don’t have to live in Philly to know that, just be a casual sports fans and listen to players, coaches, broadcasters, and fans speak.
I agree with many of the comments about McNabb’s accuracy. I think the talking heads did a decent job last night of illustrating that if McNabb would have been more accurate, there could have been two easy touchdowns.
What I don’t get is where you think the next Brady or Manning is that’s going to save Philly or improve upon their status? I’m a Bears fan. Wanna talk about a lack of quality QB throughout a team’s long history.
Voting McNabb the greatest QB in Philly history is a no brainer. That doesn’t eliminate the constant calls for his job, etc.
you want to criticize fans, talk about the minnesota fans that couldn’t sell out a vikings playoff game.
How do the Vikings fan sucking eliminate the poor attitude of Philly fans?
Philly fans are the most well known “boo’ers” and “complainers”, not just football, but in all sports. It’s not 10 guys giving the whole city that reputation. You don’t have to live in Philly to know that, just be a casual sports fans and listen to players, coaches, broadcasters, and fans speak.
you don’t have to be in philly is right. in fact, you have to not be in philly to know that.
I asked you in the earlier email how many philly fans you know. I take it the answer is zero. because the NATIONAL GUYS DON’T HAVE IT RIGHT. just becuase they’re well known for it doesn’t mean it’s accurate.
so the next time you hear tony kornheiser talk about philly fans, remember: he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. listen to jaworski talk about them, he understands a lot better. it’s an easy but inaccurate story that people keep repeating.
tell me - you know that eagles fans booed santa claus, right? do you know why? do you know when that was?
new york fans are way worse than philly fans, more demanding, more violent, more petulant, yet they’re somehow excused for it. and i’ll take any fans in a city that cares about its sports than fans in a city that doesn’t care. MN just fell into the second category when they didn’t sell out the game.
so if you want to know how things work here, you can listen to folks on this forum who actually are philly fans - eganski, barryp (although I don’t get his dislike of mcnabb), myself, martinc if he was still here. or you can keep being a ‘casual fan’ and repeating the inaccurate national storyline.
oh, and " the next Brady or Manning is that’s going to save Philly or improve upon their status" - he’s here. his name’s cole hamels.
There was a sports talk show in Philly talking about “battery day”, encouraging the fans to throw d-cell batteries at the players if there wasn’t enough snow to throw snowballs…nice…
(edit) - You are right, Bob Loblaw. My mistake…it was PHillies fans, not Eagles fans who were the battery throwers…obviously a different group !
Forget it BL, you’re not going to get anywhere defending Philly fans to people outside of Philadelphia. Or defending McNabb to BarryP, who pines for the days of Randall Cunningham, who has 1 more playoff win than I do as Eagles quarterback.
Chicago boo’d when they drafted Michael Jordan instead of Charles Barkley. That is a scientific fact! Another interesting fact is that when he was 5 years old, Cole Hamels impregnated a woman and 9 months later she gave birth to a 9 pound bar of gold. He’s going to win 1 Cy Young and 11 Cole Hamels.
FYI
The Vikings DID sell that game out. They needed an extension to do so but it sold out. The Cards did the same thing
Do you know why the Vikings didn’t sell out? It was because of the season ticket holders pretty much saying fuck you to the way the post season tickets are sold. They are asked to pay up front cost for all home playoff games. At the end of the season there was still a chance the Vikings might not play one home playoff game. Meanwhile the fans are asked to lay out the cash for a possible games that may or may not take place. If the game don’t happen then the team tries to get you to wait have that money go towards your tickets for next season. I guess you can get it back but it takes a lot of jumping thru hoops to do it and is a pain in the ass. So the season ticket holders got fed up and didn’t buy playoff tickets.
Didn’t Philly boo a halftime act off the court during the NBA All Star game?
I was at that game–one of the Destiny’s Child girls was wearing a Lakers jersey while they performed “Lose My Breath.” And no, they weren’t boo’d off the court. This was when we were in the finals…against the Lakers. If she’d been wearing a Dolphins jersey at a Jets game she would’ve been curb stomped.
“in fact, you have to not be in philly to know that.”
You got this part right. Apparently, you have to not be a Philly fan to be able to see what you guys (as a whole) look like to the rest of the country. Speaking from having known many Philly fans of various sports, I would say the national guys have it more right than wrong.
“Ron Jaworski told me one time that he had completed like 14 passes in a row, and on the 15th one he had an incompletion and they booed him.”
-Randall Cunningham
Philly fans have booed kids who didn’t find eggs at the Easter egg hunt.
There was a sports talk show in Philly talking about “battery day”, encouraging the fans to throw d-cell batteries at the players if there wasn’t enough snow to throw snowballs…nice…
prove it.
you don’t have to be in philly is right. in fact, you have to not be in philly to know that.
Sure.
just becuase they’re well known for it doesn’t mean it’s accurate.
Okay, and Cubs fans aren’t shirtless drunks, and Yankee fans aren’t entitled/spolied children who think they deserve to win every year, and Boston fans aren’t all endowed with an inferiority complex to NY, and LA fans aren’t all “come lates and leave early’s”, etc, etc … but there’s enough of em to cast a shadow. We’re talking about the image of a city’s/team’s fans, not whether that image apllies to all the fans. Specifically, we’re talking about a fan culture that seemingly enbles the behavior.
Philly fans have done PLENTY to earn the image of being “chronically disgruntled” and “verbally boisterous”. The way Schmidt was treated at the end of his career (He’s too good for Philly, the fans didn’t deserve him; Philly fans deserve someone like Madlock or PGuerrero), AI, Jimmy Rollins, McNabb, etc. You bring up NY fans, but at least they’ve picked a few stars they won’t boo (Jeter, Mattingly, etc), Philly fans seemingly cannot make up their mind whether they want to love somebody, hate somebody, or love to hate somebody.
hear tony kornheiser talk about philly fans
Why would I listen to someone that has never played sports, much less watched very much of them. Jaws is also NOT a good example of biased coverage toward the Eagles. I love Jaws, as most do, but when it comes to the Eagles … he’s a homer.
new york fans are way worse than philly fans, more demanding, more violent, more petulant
More demanding … yes. The rest … no. You guys have the crown for being the worst. Enjoy it, you’ve (as a group) worked hard to earn it, and many of you seem to enjoy it.
or you can keep being a ‘casual fan’ and repeating the inaccurate national storyline.
I would not classify myself as a casual fan, and I am curoius as to what suoperstars played in Philly without being boo’d? I think Julius may fall into that category, and I give you all a pass for boo’ing Carlton, b/c well, He was an ass in StL, and continued to be throughout his career … but still, Stevie was right, you needed him more than he needed you.
Do we need to chronicle the bad behavior of Philly fans and compile them with quotes from players, coaches, etc … or should we just take the word for it from the 3 philly fans at the this forum? See where I am coming from?
We can start with cheering when Irvin injured his neck, throwing food at the families of the TB Rays during the World Series (Game 3 to be specific), banging on the the walls of the stalls when they were in the bathroom, etc, and on and on. I am sure we could compose quite a list. I say we do it. Wanna?
Hopefully Cole Hamles never has a down year or worse, a ‘Rick Ankiel moment’. Hamels is flat-out awesome.
if you want to comment about philly fans, either read this book, spend some time here, or move back to subjects you actually know something about. you want to criticize fans, talk about the minnesota fans that couldn’t sell out a vikings playoff game. talk about the giants fans that threw ice at the sd charagers and knocked out one of their coaches. talk about all the cities that don’t support their teams. then ask dawkins what he thinks of eagles fans. he’s been there longer than any other eagle.
Is it safe to assume you have spent a lot of time in Minnesota and know the fans there well or should you maybe take your own advice and move on?
This article is worth taking a look at:
http://www.nytimes.com/...e%20reese&st=cse
Oh, and I’ll give you the Irvin incident. I wasn’t in Philly then, but it was apparently beyond the pale.
As for stars that were never booed: I’ll start with Reggie White, who this town loved, and take that to the rest of that defense (except Izell ‘toast’ Jenkins). Hugh Douglas, Trotter, Dawkins. John LeClair, Rod Brindamour (sp?). The entire 83 sixers team, Ivaroni included. And most people loved AI, myself included, ‘practice’ and all. The entire 93 Phillies team, even though they lost. Even, amazingly, Mitch Williams these days. This is just a quick list.
The wierd thing is the huge number of athletes that aren’t stars that people adore. There’s too much of a ‘rocky’ thing going on here where people overlove the less-skilled athlete that tries really hard. You can see this a bit in BarryP’s man-crush on Jeff Garcia, who did a great job but isn’t McNabb. Similar thing going on right now with Chris Coste. And as for Jaworski being a homer… if we were such bad fans, why is he still a homer? Pittsburgh didn’t like Bradshaw, and now his homerism seems gone.
Anyway, again, I recommend that article. Ike Reese is a good example of the fan-favorite: great special teamer that fans get really into. Not sure why, but hey. I’d be amazed if he was ever booed.
-Charles
I can dig that sentiment.
There just seems to be behavior that some fans feel is acceptable in Philly, that just wouldn;t come close to being accepted in other stadiums. It’s like some fans just feel they must “meet the expectation” or “keep up the rep”. There are a few places like Philly, such as NY and now even Boston, where the consideration of “can they handle the treatment by the fans” comes into play regarding trades/free agency.
I have been a ribid fan in the 80’s/90’s and have tailed off somewhat since I’ve had kids. But, the view of such stars like Schmidt, Lindros, McNabb, Rollins, etc. The Mike Schmidt situation really sticks out in my mind because he’s what I think of when I think “Philly sports” and his wonderful career (perhaps the greatest 3rd baseman of all time) should have, IMO, granted him better treatment in his later days. There are some guys, whose performance and loyalty, should just earn them certain treatment (Schmidt in Philly, Ozzie in StL, Biggio in Houston, Ripken in Balt, Mattingly in NY, Bird in Boston, etc). Lindros, for example, seemed to get boo’d and harrassed for not delivering multiple cups early in his career, when he was the “sliced bread” of the league. It’s as if his problem with concussions was a welcomed event.
I would add Jerome Brown to your list of beloved (Andrew Toney was always a favorite of mine).
As for the Rocky Complex … I think every city has that to some degree. In StLouis, Tommy Herr and Willie McGee are two that fit that bill. I also agree that talk radio is not a good source of material, since most are calling in to complain. I Chicago, you’d never know that the Sox won a WS in 05, because by 07 all the fans wanted all those guys gone (Konerko, Uribe, Dye, Contreras, etc). It’s as if one great season means that they must be duplicated or else. It just ain’t that easy.
I recall when I attended the first Inter-league series in Kansas City (Royals v. Cardinals) and I showed up in my Willie McGee #51 powder blue retro jersey … I heard plenty from the fans, but never was I pelted with ketchup/mustard packets (like TB Rays families were) or cussed at or threatened in any way. There’s good natured ribbing amongst fans and then there’s what is characterised by Philly, and other such places. It’s a culture thing.