Heh posted exactly my thoughts at same time Jason. Phelps would beat most top triathletes doing IM in a 3.8km swim
No your bad assumption r embarrassingā¦I thought Ć°ÅøāĀ Iād set you strait .sorry if it offends you. Even ryk neethling could not win it 100under49/1500under 1500ā¦and mate of be. Lucky to of ever swum under53.for100. Mate mal allen is only a minute behind the leaders now at45.and 3 sessions a. Weekā¦Mate this shows your ignuorinose. Mack Horton and petterlini both Olympic champions could not even beat a 845 swimmer Ć°ÅøĀÅ in a 1KM race in lorne its no disrespect they canāt even swim Ć°ÅøĀÅ strait
whats with all the emojiā¦
whats with all the emojiā¦
I think heās allowed to use emoji and write stream of consciousness jibberish because heās got his own Wikipedia page - thatās the rule right?
Jason, we are not talking about 1500m we are talking about a full IM 3,862 meters. In Phelps prime he could not beat Hacket, Young Sun,Paltrinieri (all gold medalist multiple events more distance driven) or even Yeager at 1500 meters, much less 3,862 meters. Phelps himself said he hated swimming anything longer than 400 meters, not his specialty, because it was not what he was best at. This thread started would Phelps would be the fastest swimmer in an Ironman swim ever? I simply stated multiple Olympic DISTANCE GOLD medals winners who are distance swimmers, would be faster. By your reasoning, the fastest 1/2 mile or Mile runner of all time would beat the best marathoners, that simply is illogical. In college the sprint guys 400 and down, were doing totally different sets than the distance guys.
No your bad assumption r embarrassingā¦I thought Ć°ÅøāĀ Iād set you strait .sorry if it offends you. Even ryk neethling could not win it 100under49/1500under 1500ā¦and mate of be. Lucky to of ever swum under53.for100. Mate mal allen is only a minute behind the leaders now at45.and 3 sessions a. Weekā¦Mate this shows your ignuorinose. Mack Horton and petterlini both Olympic champions could not even beat a 845 swimmer Ć°ÅøĀÅ in a 1KM race in lorne its no disrespect they canāt even swim Ć°ÅøĀÅ strait
Dudeā¦ what is embarassing is all you here. I canāt even read all this gibberish. Nor does ANYBODY here think the record needed to be set straight when this thread died nearly 13 years go. YEARS dudeā¦ nobody cares anymore.
whats with all the emojiā¦
Just a way to further embarrass himself I think
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Hackett gave up surf Ć°ÅøĀā swimming Ć°ÅøĀÅ cause he could not win in surf Ć°ÅøĀā us less
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Dave its, Dan mclellan unless he spent years swimming Ć°ÅøĀÅ in surf Ć°ÅøĀā he would not of got within1min of the, top Ć°ÅøāĀ guys .I have smashed Perkins , Kowalskiā¦ Any named still water are novelties. No disrespect even on the flattest day to messy
You dragged up a nearly 13 year old thread just to brag about yourself? How embarrassing for youā¦sorry I just thought Ć°ÅøāĀ I was qualified on the topic no bragging its the truth. There would be another. 15 guys at home Ć°ÅøĀ each year that donāt even do that swim Ć°ÅøĀÅ that would finish Ć°ÅøĀĀ top Ć°ÅøāĀ 15.just keep believing david hasslehoff
No, IĆ¢ā¬ā¢m saying that you donĆ¢ā¬ā¢t know, because he didnĆ¢ā¬ā¢t swim those events. Regardless of the reason. Take 99% of swimmers on the planet and give them a choice between sprints and distance, theyĆ¢ā¬ā¢ll choose sprints. If youĆ¢ā¬ā¢re that good at the 100 to 400 distance, why bother with the 15? ThatĆ¢ā¬ā¢s all IĆ¢ā¬ā¢m saying, he never focused on the 1500, but had he chosen to target that race for a year or 2, I suspect he would have done phenomenally well.
As for Hackett, great as he was, thereĆ¢ā¬ā¢s a pretty good chance that Thorpe would have been faster. The one time they met in the middle and raced the 800 Thorpe crushed Hackett.
As for the 1500 reference, anyone whoĆ¢ā¬ā¢s good at the 1500 will be good at 3800m. The events arenĆ¢ā¬ā¢t that different.
By your reasoning, the fastest 1/2 mile or Mile runner of all time would beat the best marathoners, ///
Well that is not exactly what he is saying, and if I may be so bold. Phelps was the best in the world at 400m, forget that he didnāt swim the free at that distance, it didnt fit his kind of schedule. He most certainly would have been the fastest, or at least in a spring finish with the fastest if he wasnāt already World champion and olympic champion in 8 other events. But at the very least, we know he can do a 400 in distance, still holds the WR for it after all these years.
So about 9 times that distance is the ironman swim, certainly a lot more, but I would guess about a 1/3 to 1/4 of his training, every single day. Comparing a marathon runner to a 1/2 miler is 52 times the race distance, or even a miler, it is 26 times the distance, entirely different ball parks. Runners in those two events are completely different, at least the 1/2 milers. A couple milers have made it to marathon, but they are severe outliers.
On the other hand, 400m swimmers are considered middle distance guys, and often swim up to all distances. Most your 1500m people also swim the 400, and it is those people that swim up to 10k OW eventually. Being the best in the pool is no guarantee that it transfers to OW, but it is the same type of swimmers who all compete in that category, no 50/100 specialist. Yes Phelps said he hates doing distance, but hating and being bad at are two different things. When you have the luxury of being able to win maybe a dozen different events, you get to be choosy. And keep in mind that choosing distance takes you out of all the premier events of swimming, including most relays. As I recall, there are stories about some astonishing times he did for 5k swims in workouts, which is no surprise to meā¦
But to close out this zombie thread, yes he would get beat at ironman, likely running up the stairsā¦
His first Sr national cut was in the 1500. Pretty sure I read that somewhere a long time ago.
Your on the right path no turns .major issue
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I think he would do great.
Athletes at that level have a lot of god given talent (feet) and a world class level of drive. You donĆ¢ā¬ā¢t do that well without being something special.
Given proper time to train, he would do great at the swim. A full tri would take a lot more prep, but he could put out a solid world class effort if he dedicated himselfā¦ it would just not happen overnight.
But he has the ability, the drive, and the resources to do it rightā¦ if he wanted to.
As far as his swim time, i donĆ¢ā¬ā¢t think it would be that crazy. He would have to win to help with marketing/image/fans. He would show his doninance in the water, but I think he would be smart enough to not go all out, and pace for the bike/run.
Sadly, he would get chased down on the bike, and fall back further in the run. But for year one, the race organizers and sponsors would get their headlines, and all would be happy. $$$
Donāt PM me again, you fucking twat.
What ever you cranky wish. I was
As far as his swim time, i donĆ¢ā¬ā¢t think it would be that crazy. He would have to win to help with marketing/image/fans. He would show his doninance in the water, but I think he would be smart enough to not go all out, and pace for the bike/run.
Sadly, he would get chased down on the bike, and fall back further in the run. But for year one, the race organizers and sponsors would get their headlines, and all would be happy. $$$
Donāt forget how he raced against that shark on the TV special. Donāt count him out at anything in the water (unless he is up against Shaq)!
The most recent winner for the 5km at US Open Water Nationals went 54:29 or 1:05/100m. That time would put him at around 41:30 for an Ironman Swim. I havenāt seen any triathlete going that. The triathlon community likes to think the open water skill set is a lot bigger than it is.
Hope this helps.
Tim
The most recent winner for the 5km at US Open Water Nationals went 54:29 or 1:05/100m. That time would put him at around 41:30 for an Ironman Swim. I havenāt seen any triathlete going that. The triathlon community likes to think the open water skill set is a lot bigger than it is. Hope this helps. Tim
Tim - You may have seen this but in practice one day back around 2005 or so, Bowman had him do a 5000 yd for time, and MP went 46:34. This translates to 39:21 for the 4225 yd iron swim. Assuming he gained about 0.75 sec per turn, thatās about 150 sec or 2.5 min, so give him 41:51 for the OW swim in practice. So, I would guess that if he were tapered and shaved, and swimming on a calm, flat water day, he could go 40 low. OTOH, I suspect Sun Yang could hold 1:01 per 100 m long course for the 3860 meters in the pool, or say 1:02.5/100 m in flat OW, or 40:12. Of course, if there were big money in OW swimming, MP might have gone into it after retiring from the pool, and might have dominated it. Too bad we never got to see how well he could do in distance swimming at his peak.
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Also, looking at 5K and 10K OW times, I saw that Mellouli went 1:49:55 at the 2012 Oly !0K, or just under 55 per 5K. I would guess he couldāve gone 54-ish if the race had been only 5K, or 41:40 for the 3.86 km iron swim. And IIRC from Ousās interview right after the race, he said heād been sick and had been throwing up the night before, so 41:40 on a bad day. 