You don’t cut in front of other swimmers…slow down for a second and safely turn. Same as driving and doing a U turn. You guys are arguing for no reason in text just for the sake of arguing. It works and lots of people do this respectfully where I live. Maybe you have not seen it happen where you live and swim, but give it a try.
OK if you’re going to swear, yes, you’re just arguing for the sake of it. I provided some info to make lane swim workable in the context of 98% of age group swimming in triathlons when they have to use lane swim. Take it or leave it. I don’t need my solution to be declared as the best on the planet or on this ST thread, nor the worse. It works for lots of us and good enough for plenty of Kona qualifiers at my pool/s.
It’s why no one engages on ST. If people offer ideas/options, people on here come in and just decide to fight it to be the smartest guy in the room. You are just saying my optional solution is bad, without providing a solution that is practical in lane swim.
I literally do 800,000 to 1,200,000m per year over the last 9 years 95 percent outside squad swims in public pools . I don’t swim over other people, I get out of the way of faster people and largely my pool race times and my triathlon race times are unaffected by the limitations of public pools as are those of many of my friends/teammates.
The funny thing is you’re arguing same the same thing as me, “just go swim and figure it out in the dynamics of your lane”
I’m not a coach, and I didn’t grow up swimming. The workout you list is VERY similar to what I’m currently being prescribed by my coach 1-2x/wk + some longer continuous 3-4K sets on the weekend. I get the busy lane thing, but I wouldn’t worry about the upwards of 90min in the pool as some of these workouts are taking me 70-90min to complete as well. I wouldn’t think to spread out over two days…I’d just jump in and get swimming to complete the workout. I scanned through the thread in it’s entirety, and was sorta hoping @monty had commented…as he tends to say things I’m thinking most times.
Cool downs are for sissies.
I’ll make my own assumptions (if you can make crazy wild incorrect assumptions of me; turnabout is fair play, yes) - of those ~1m yards you swim a year, I’m guessing less than 10% of them turn into “just swim” because the lane suddenly gets so busy and you are affected by 4-5 people in a lane suddenly all doing your own thing. I’m guessing that happens much less than your suggesting or trying to solve a problem for. Most people can go to a pool, do whatever workout they have for the day, and go home (which is why I disagreed with your 100’s advice; the best advice I’d give is to have a mixed swim program of distance swims across a wide variety; and if we are talking about “endurance” I’d certainly add in 400+ intervals instead of 100’s for “endurance” work, but that’s just my take on endurance work sets; they’ll differ than a drill set or a quality work etc).
You talk about engaging, we were engaging in a back and forth and then suddenly you don’t like my reply so you call it “arguing” and resort personal assumption attacks and then say no one on ST wants to “engage”? My near decade experience running a public pool along with coaching has formed by opinions that more times than not, public pool lanes aren’t that busy that it has to be “just swim” every time you enter a public pool. 100% there are peak pool usage times, but more often then not if an triathlete is training for an IM, they can train in the pool with whatever workout they bring to the pool, and accomplish said workout.
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If the lane is busy, I just start doing fly sets to establish dominance and (hopefully) chase everyone away.
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haha, public lane swim today, ended with 1000m of 10 x (50 fly 50 free) continuous!!! Only three people in my lane, 50LCM so it was clear sailing for all.
@BDoughtie if you looked at this thread, I never engaged with you to start. I engaged with other posters on recommendations for working the public lane swim thing. You decided to argue about why 100s on random rest is not a good workout for Ironman. That’s fine, if that is your view, but all that was done in the first post was saying “your idea sucks” (paraphrasing), but not offering a better workout. It’s fine if you want to be the smartest guy in the room (I never said my workout choices are the best for IM performance, just that they work good enough). I am uninterested in my workout being the best or being the smartest person kicking around a group, I am interested in suggesting to people often with less experience than me (I’m 40 something years into racing and training for tri) so I like to share what works practically so others don’t need to go thru trial and error.
lol all will do is scare away the triathletes by doing that.
What’s “fly” is what most triathletes would ask.
Also to support what you were saying almost all the time in many public pools it is viable to do your presecribed set or a close version of it, except the most crowded times, so the two of us are generally aligned on “just go swim it will work itself out”. My main bone of contention is with those athletes (both swimmers and triathletes) who show up and get in the way by insisting on their send off times or their paces and not even bending an inch for the workouts of others as if the world is supposed to adjust around them. If someone wants that go to a masters squad and do the workout that coach gives where the coach controls the entire pool. The workout the coach gave this morning does not take into account the flow of a public pool if the athlete blows of squad practice and then tries to do it with the public
The biggest issue I’ve seen is that AG athletes hold so dearly to that workout that they sorta turn into the behaviors you see. So I don’t necessarily think it’s because they are wanting to be assholes, I think it’s generally a lack of confidence in being adaptable. I remember an athlete called me from the pool deck saying “coach I can’t do the workout the pool is too busy”…..I sighed and took ownership that I didn’t teach the athlete to be “adaptable”, but I also said “just swim and make it work”. Good learning and teachable moment for me, to always add in conversations with athletes…..if things go sideways, just go do something. I primarily attribute it to the swim being the least knowledge and experience; hell we call it “adult onset swimmer”, for a reason.
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Yeah we are 100% aligned on this! Some workout is always better than nothing at all!