"How do you fight?" - Relationship styles, not brawling techniques

Found this to be fairly obvious, but also kind of interesting. My step-father was a counselor so I come by that nature naturally, so I’ve talked to a lot of friends (and even co-workers, bleh) about stuff like this. I have also dated a few girls who were viciously effective in winning discussions (fights). I mean, they were so many lightyears ahead of me in what tricks they were pulling I rarely knew what was going on till afterwards. There I was, being stupid, trying to actually listen etc.

My best friend is also exceptionally good at staying calm in any fight or negotiation. Watching him when someone else is pissed at him is hilarious, he just is so calm and it makes them soooooo angry.

http://men.msn.com/articlebl.aspx?cp-documentid=825648

  1. Stay Off the Escalator

The first sign of destructive fighting is what Markman and Stanley call escalation. The idea is simple: Even though you and your wife may start out arguing about something small, inevitably tempers flare, voices get louder, and that “little thing” disappears in an exchange of big threats.

To avoid such encounters, Markman and Stanley suggest a technique called “active listening,” in which partners take turns talking and paraphrasing what the other is telling them (“What I hear you saying is . . .”). Yes, you’ll feel dorky and self-conscious when you do this, but in a way that’s the point. Active listening slows you down, makes you listen to what the other person is really saying, and stops you from blasting away with both barrels.

Okay, so what if you’re willing to stay on fighting’s first floor, but your wife is the one constantly hopping on the escalator? Don’t tell her to calm down. That just makes you come off as patronizing, which fuels her anger. Instead, you make the effort to calm down. Keep your expression serious and say something like, “How about if I just listen to you for a few minutes, and you can tell me what you’re thinking.”

  1. Be Her Mirror

Another sign that you’re fighting ugly is invalidation. This occurs when you move beyond arguing about issues and start committing character assassination and name-calling. You know, the really fun stuff.

Lay off these tricks yourself. And if your wife slings one of those personal assaults your way, call her bluff. She’s saying horrible things, but she doesn’t really mean any of it. (If she did, she’d be gone by now.) Stanley suggests a very successful tactic that works in just about any contentious situation. “When someone’s on the attack, paraphrase them. Gently reflect what she’s saying so she can hear it.” You could say, “Let me get this right. You think I’ve never really cared about you at all?”

Just be sure to sound sincere, not sarcastic. If you can do this, it’s like holding up a mirror, which is gentler, and far more effective than saying, “Look in the mirror, bitch.”

  1. Don’t Dis Her Memory

Often, in the heat of an argument, the first thing that each partner will try to invalidate is the other’s memory. If it turns into a who-remembers-it-better shouting match and she says, “Oh, no, you said blah-blah,” don’t respond in kind. You’ll only imply that her memory is more defective than yours (which it may be, but . . . ). Instead, say this: “I’m not sure what I said. What I meant was. . . .”

The point: It doesn’t really matter who remembers it better. “Bring it into the present,” says Markman. “And stop arguing about what was said or not said.”

4. Don’t Let Her Read Your Mind

If she claims you were secretly hoping her mother wouldn’t stay all weekend, you could say, flat out, “Don’t read my mind.” But that’s risky. “You’re labeling her behavior, and that could be dynamite,” says Stanley. Instead, try this: “That’s not what I was thinking. Can I please just tell you what I was thinking?”

You? Thinking? The shock might be so great that your wife will drop her fighting gloves immediately.

5. Don’t Put a Sock in It

Markman and Stanley’s third fighting danger sign, withdrawal, involves a clear and documented difference between the genders. Women value any interaction in a relationship, even if it’s negative. Men tend to value instrumental, problem-solving interactions, and we shut down when the volume goes up. Our physical response to the stress of yet another argument is the classic fight-or-flight reaction, and most men take flight. Especially if she’s the verbally skilled one in the marriage—and most women have been a step ahead of us verbally since preschool.

All this leads to a lethal dynamic: She brings up a problem; you don’t want to talk about it. She gets angry; you fear more conflict and close up tighter. She interprets that to mean you’re detaching from the marriage. For the past 25 years, this scenario has been noted by marriage experts for its reliability in predicting marital instability and divorce.

My life would be so much better if I could learn how to do this stuff. I’m much better at not getting into the fight at all.

Bernie

The most important thing I learned about communication was how to respond to:

“So what are you thinking?”

I started answering honestly.

Oddly enough, haven’t heard that question in a decade… :wink:

Mostly though I respond in the way most men do, with item number 5. Every once in a while I engage and that generally works out.

interesting!

I dated a social worker for a number of years. Nothing new here.

thanks… that is interesting reading.

I was raving mad at my boyfriend a few years ago while at my parents house. He wasn’t there but when he showed up I was prepared to let him have it. My mother asked me if this situation was worth breaking over and I said no. She said “why start a fight that you could get there?” Now I bite my tongue when Im mad and bring it up later when I know I can be civil about it.

Its a funny thing to hear from a woman who fights with my father over the correct way to organize spoons, but probably the best relationship advice I’ve gotten.

I have found that, ironically, the best way to sort out real relationship problems is over the 3 hour drive to/from my parents’ house. We’re stuck in the car together for the duration, and usually the kids are in the back seat, so we don’t want to “fight” in front of them.

Really forces us to keep the conversation civil, and therefore productive. Especially when the kids are there and we’re trying hard to keep our cool for them. Naturally, we don’t bring up the reeeaaallly sensitive topics in front of them, but we had a very good hash-out about a potential future dog, career choices (for her), finance, education (both of us), and such just this weekend.

It’s so much easier to lose your cool when you know you can retire to the other side of the house, or go to work, or whatever, instead of being stuck together for hours on end…

“I was raving mad at my boyfriend a few years ago while at my parents house. He wasn’t there but when he showed up I was prepared to let him have it. My mother asked me if this situation was worth breaking over and I said no. She said “why start a fight that you could get there?” Now I bite my tongue when Im mad and bring it up later when I know I can be civil about it.”

I think your mother gave good advice. From my perspective, many fights start over petty things that really are unimportant. Often these things are minor annoyances and it may be best to blow them off or wait until later to bring it up. The very act of waiting may serve to demonstrate just how minor the offense was and how utterly unimportant it is in the grand scheme.

I watched my older sister ruin two marriages with constant nitpicking and bickering. After a while both men returned fire and the fights almost always got ugly. She finally stopped doing the picking with her third husband because he won’t play the game.

I’ve been with my wife for over 12 years and we’ve yet to have a serious fight. I can only recall one or two times where we even had a minor disagreement. That’s not to indicate that either one of us is perfect, just that we focus on the good in each other. Every person has certain habits that may be annoying to another person. These habits likely existed when you met, but you overlooked them. Why? Because you focused on the good. Continue to do so and you may find your life with your spouse is more rewarding.

Good article. I would also add

  1. Make a pact early to never mention divorce in the heat of any argument.

  2. Learn your partner’s hot buttons and avoid them. This may take many years.

  3. Learn to take one for the team - at an early phase of an argument to suck it up, admit to yourself you may be barely right and apologize (gasp!).

  4. Compromise.

  5. The hardest one for me (and maybe most men) is to listen to what your partner is really saying. It may have been the 500 things that preceded what you did that she is sore about, not what you think you just did.

  1. Make a pact early to never mention divorce in the heat of any argument.

  2. Learn your partner’s hot buttons and avoid them. This may take many years.

  3. Learn to take one for the team - at an early phase of an argument to suck it up, admit to yourself you may be barely right and apologize (gasp!).

  4. Compromise.

  5. The hardest one for me (and maybe most men) is to listen to what your partner is really saying. It may have been the 500 things that preceded what you did that she is sore about, not what you think you just did.

I like your list better than the psychologists. My problem is I have learned my wife’s hot buttons and instead of avoiding them, use them against her so we have had to really repeat #1 many times, and that is probably the best advice on the page.

#5 is definitely the key to marriage bliss from the male perspective. When you learn what the woman is really saying, you are on your way Mister. When she launches on you for eating ice cream out of the carton and not from a bowl what she is really saying is “I’m over-trained, over-worked and under appreciated, I’ve been fretting over kids all day, cleaning up, cooking meals, after working 8 hours in my cubicle, balancing the checkbook, making sure homework is done, my feet ache from the stylish shoes I wear, I have a headache and my IT band hurts, and all I want is for you to notice you thick-headed nitwit”

and all I want is for you to notice you thick-headed nitwit


Hmmm. Have you been bugging our home?

On translations: I got this one last week (over the phone):

“I need some time alone to think about things without your input”.

What the heck does THAT mean?

If my translation is close, I will have a lot more time to train this winter.

We have a new mueseum in town and my wife and I have found that we really get things layed out when we go there and talk about issues. Its nice, quiet, there is good work to look at, and we can focus on the issues and the work. We don’t have many issues between us but anything that comes up or that we can see coming we just go to the mueseum and walk around and talk it out.

paging Dr. Phil…

#5 is definitely the key to marriage bliss from the male perspective.

And as you mentioned earlier the most difficult for men. I absolutely SUCK at doing this. First I miss that it’s not the fact that I left the toilet seat up that she’s pissed about. Then when I figure out that she’s pissed about something entirely different than what I’m getting my ass ate out for I’m usually already a bit peeved and I end up getting more pissed because “Why didn’t you just say that in first place?!”

I think men do this as well but a significantly less often.

I’d like to say I’ve never had a major fight with my wife…but I’d be lying. I can say that if you work at it you do get better at it. I’m still working…I’m still not all that good at it.

I think the biggest thing that I’ve learned to do is similar to someone else’s mother’s suggestion except implemented during and after the fight. “Is the point of this arguement worth suffering for a couple days for?” Never is. Life is to short to spend a day pissed as someone.

Back off, calm down and come back later with the knowledge you gained in the first round and try again. Some topics literally take YEARS of this to make progress.

~Matt

Good article, but let me post one more additional rule to keep in mind:

Rule # (whatever number after what you stopped at): Women are the Spawn of the Devil.

Evidence - Women value any interaction in a relationship, even if it’s negative. Men tend to value instrumental, problem-solving interactions, and we shut down when the volume goes up.

I mean, what kind of madness is that?

Evidence - Women value any interaction in a relationship, even if it’s negative. Men tend to value instrumental, problem-solving interactions, and we shut down when the volume goes up.

I mean, what kind of madness is that?

Maybe because most women have figured out that they learn something from each interaction (even the negative ones), and they’d rather learn something and analyze it than gloss over it and ignore it?

Or, maybe you’re right that they’re just devil-spawn. I dunno. Both theories seem equally viable. ;-p

My wife and I fake fight all the time, even when we’re getting along perfectly. People who don’t know us think we fight like cats and dogs. I know it sounds nuts. But oddly enough, when wifey and I are really fighting, we play these same games so our spat doesn’t seem so bad.