House Republicans Join Mojozenmaster in Their Defiance of Obama

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090129/ap_on_an/obama_gop_analysis

They have obviously been reading my posts and following my lead. A unanimous vote against ‘The Great Unifier’s” socialist bailout cannot be misconstrued as anything other than Defiance****. (A special note to Francois: this means they don’t want him to succeed)

I personally think it is a brilliant political move: Republicans will not be on the hook for any of it and democrats will be responsible for all of it.

Let the good times roll!!

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Quite courageous. I think their alternative bill was entirely made up of tax cuts and had no indication of how much it would cost.

Colbert made a good suggestion last night. To complete their show of defiance, all those Republicans should refuse to be a part of the bill at all, and not accept any of the bailout money for their constitutents.

I think we all know how that’s going to go.

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I have to give them a lot of credit…along with 11 House Democrats…for this one. Let Obama own it, with the full knowledge and consent of the democrat party.

I continue to maintain that people are smarter than the vast majority of democrat politicians believe them to be. The enormity of the self-serving spend-fest that this particular bill represents will not go unnoticed, nor unpunished…hopefully as soon as 2010.

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Quite courageous. I think their alternative bill was entirely made up of tax cuts and had no indication of how much it would cost.

Not entirely. I believe that there was a significant provision for improved/extended unemployment benefits too. Something that seems to make sense to me in these times…

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**I continue to maintain that people are smarter than the vast majority of democrat politicians believe them to be. The enormity of the self-serving spend-fest that this particular bill represents will not go unnoticed, nor unpunished…hopefully as soon as 2010. **

If people are indeed smarter, they will surely remember the $700B bailout of the financial firms in October, supported by the Republicans. Those same firms are now paying $18B in bonuses.

If anything irks taxpayes more than spending, it is handing $18B in taxpayer money to some of the richest people in our country.

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Sounds like the kid who takes his toys and goes home when he doesn’t get exactly what he wants.

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I don’t disagree with your statement, however; isn’t it the case that this informs decisions about further spending and further “bailout money”.

Why should we authorize more of the same when in fact what we are authorizing is further corruption and more flow of money into both the public and private sector for which there will be little oversight? Sure $18B of bonuses are being paid but won’t it also be true that there will be millions of dollars paid for programs that do absolutely nothing to stimulate the economy directly but do it indirectly by lining the pockets of bureaucrats and administrators?

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If people are indeed smarter, they will surely remember the $700B bailout of the financial firms in October, supported by the Republicans. Those same firms are now paying $18B in bonuses.

I hope so. That debacle was equally shared by both parties.

This one is wholly owned by Obama and the dems however.

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Why should we authorize more of the same when in fact what we are authorizing is further corruption and more flow of money into both the public and private sector for which there will be little oversight?

I am opposed to all forms of bailouts, if companies can’t survive they shouldn’t be in business.

But, if we are now saying this is all the Democrats fault and that the Republicans are “courageous” for standing on some form of principle that they discovered since Bush left office, it’s a little bit of revisionist history going on.

I applauded those few Republicans who balked at the initial bailouts in October but the rest are no different than the Democrats.

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I don’t think it’s courageous at all. It seems to me that all they’re doing is standing on the sidelines, crossing their fingers and hoping the economy continues to sink until the next election so they can say “I told you so” and get re-elected. That’s not what they were elected to do. This bipartisan crap has to stop in order to get this economy going again.

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Actually Dawn it is possible that some of them are doing that but the reality is, it is horrifying to watch what is being crammed into this bill. We are expanding funding for loans for students to go to college? Why aren’t we forcing universities to dip into their endowments and stop building palatial buildings on college campuses ALSO? The bill expands education for STD’s and pregnancy? How exactly does this solve the economic crisis in the country?

In Massachusetts healthy banks are walking away from previous bailout money in droves, refusing the money because of the perception involved in taking it and in part because of the politics involved. So people who actually could use the money are NOT getting funding. I am in the middle of negotiating a line of credit for a client, the strictures put on this line are unbelievable. I feel like telling the client to go online and take out a payday loan they might get better terms. And the bailout bill isn’t going to help that no matter what anyone thinks. Not when good banks walk away from the money.

Back to your original point, yes there are Republicans who are playing politics with this but in the end if they vote against it more power to them. This bill is terrible if you are a Republican. If you are a Democrat it sticks to your ideals and furthers the Democratic agenda. As Obama said, “he won”, therefore let them own the bill. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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I don’t think it’s courageous at all.

They are taking a similar gamble that many Democrats in the Senate took in 2003. If Iraq was a flawless success, they didn’t want to be known as the people who voted against it. Obama took the opposite gamble (despite not being in the Senate) and it arguably paid off.

In this case, the Republicans get to stand up a re-redefine their party as being for small government and sit back and hope this fails. They know, that at best, it will avert a disaster, but things will still get worse. Then they can point to the Dems and say, “See…they did this and lots of jobs were lost and the deficit went up.” They’ll rail against deficit spending, and if anyone brings up GWB, they’ll say he wasn’t a true Republican.

This probably is a wise move for them. The Democrats will have the advantage of pointing to where jobs were created. But the majority of the country will be uneffected. Unemployment rates never get anywhere near 50%. The selfish nature of your common American won’t care that their own ass would have been saved had something happened to them, but rather they’ll care that they had to save someone else’s ass and pay for it (already hear the constant bitching in the LR).

Obama will have to try to talk his way out of this.

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Man, you don’t even make the effort to read what others write. You have your own views and refuse to read what others have to say. I don’t agree with David or Rob in FL for instance, but they make an effort to articulate their thought process.

You continue to ignore what others say, in particular the fact that there is a major difference between wanting his plan to fail because you think it will not be good for America (which is what they said) vs. wanting him to fail, even if this means that America fails too (which is what you said, despite several here asking that you clarify your thought).

Based on this, I can categorically say that I’m a lot more patriotic than you are. I would have loved to be proven wrong, and see America succeeding under GWB.

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“I would have loved to be proven wrong, and see America succeeding under GWB.”

Really?

The other day you said that you’ve got “8 years of solid data” to “make a case” that Bush is an “idiot.”

Today you are saying you would have loved for America to succeed under Bush.

Hmmmm……

C’mon dude, be like me and stick to your principles. Although I do have some liberal tendencies, I primarily regard democrats (liberals) as **evil **and Republicans (Conservatives) as GOOD.

I definitely want Obama to fail. I want him to fail and I want his stimulus plan to fail. He and the democrats will run this country into the dirt. I want to see that happen. I am hoping for his complete failure.

Savvy conservatives think like me and hope Obama fails. Obama and the dems preach “bipartisanship” today so Republicans have blood on their hands tomorrow.

I think it is best for Republicans to keep their hands clean = Reject/Avoid Obama’s stimulus plan like a rotting corpse and let the democrats behave like cannibals.

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Mate, you need to make a serious effort and learn English…

It’s astonishing to see the amount of bullshit you spew…

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Sorry about that Mate. I’ll admit that my command of the English Language does not always keep pace with my thoughts, so please forgive any murdering of the Queens English.

However, it’s obviously good enough for you to form an opinion and interpret/decipher my words as “Bullshit.”

I think I have made a pretty good case of explaining why I think Obama Sucks and how I want him to fail.

My illiteracy aside, would you mind addressing the topic of my previous post without sarcasm and insults…….or are sarcasm and insults the default position of liberals who cannot take the heat of harsh criticism?

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As long as you don’t see that there is nothing contradictory between

‘I would have loved to be proven wrong and see America succeed under GWB’ and ‘8 years of solid data etc’

I’ll stand behind my comment about your understanding of English, be it British English or American English.

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“I would have loved to be proven wrong, and see America succeeding under GWB.”

Really?

The other day you said that you’ve got “8 years of solid data” to “make a case” that Bush is an “idiot.”

Today you are saying you would have loved for America to succeed under Bush.

Hmmmm……

C’mon dude, be like me and stick to your principles. Although I do have some liberal tendencies, I primarily regard democrats (liberals) as **evil **and Republicans (Conservatives) as GOOD.

I definitely want Obama to fail. I want him to fail and I want his stimulus plan to fail. He and the democrats will run this country into the dirt. I want to see that happen. I am hoping for his complete failure.

Savvy conservatives think like me and hope Obama fails. Obama and the dems preach “bipartisanship” today so Republicans have blood on their hands tomorrow.

I think it is best for Republicans to keep their hands clean = Reject/Avoid Obama’s stimulus plan like a rotting corpse and let the democrats behave like cannibals.
I’m sorry dude, but this is why I have given up on politics and partisanship. It isn’t democrats running the country into the ground. And it isn’t the republicans either. It’s the fact that the two think our country is just some game they can play to see who comes out as the winner.

Savvy conservatives think like me and hope Obama fails.
No, any true American hopes Obama succeeds, because our lives are far more important than whether a democrat or republican is the president.

**I definitely want Obama to fail. I want him to fail and I want his stimulus plan to fail. He and the democrats will run this country into the dirt. I want to see that happen. I am hoping for his complete failure. **
I feel really sad for you. Do you have any reason for this, or do you just take sick pleasure in watching others fail because it makes you feel better about yourself?

And just to clarify everything for you, I considered myself a conservative up until a few years ago. Now I will fiercely deny any partisanship, because they are both petty and sad. I also think this stimulus plan is a terrible idea, and I definitely didn’t vote for Obama. But he is now my president, and I hope he succeeds, because that means we as Americans succeed.

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Thanks Occam. We probably disagree on politics issues, however, clearly, we both care about one thing: that the country succeeds. Whether it is lead by Obama or GWB. I believe there is a lot more chance for success with Obama, but what I care about really is that the country succeeds.

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Mojo:

You’ve become a Lemming of your Grand Master Rush. Go ahead and keep reciting Grand Master Rush’s mantras and before you know it you will become Rush.

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