It looks like the US may have once held but released one of the homicide bombers in Amman Jordan. If its true its what is so frustrating with all of the debate over who we hold and for how long. I realize we can’t realistically round up and detain every Muslim male between the ages of 15-40. I also realize its a sensitive issue but come on. This is not the first instance of a once held terrorist who was later captured or killed on the battlefield. If we arrest a suspected terrorist I have no problem holding them indefinitely (caveat:this is not the abuse thread). How can anyone rationalize releasing them only to have them return to kill again?
It looks like the US may have once held but released one of the homicide bombers in Amman Jordan. If its true its what is so frustrating with all of the debate over who we hold and for how long. I realize we can’t realistically round up and detain every Muslim male between the ages of 15-40. I also realize its a sensitive issue but come on. This is not the first instance of a once held terrorist who was later captured or killed on the battlefield. If we arrest a suspected terrorist I have no problem holding them indefinitely (caveat:this is not the abuse thread). How can anyone rationalize releasing them only to have them return to kill again?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175460,00.html
Richard Jewell was a captured suspected terrorist bomber. Should he have been held indefinitely? Granted, he’s a US citizen, but do you think that, maybe, we should find out if someone is actually guilty of something before throwing them away forever? When you say kill “again”, how do you know he killed before? Was there a trial or something? If so, then he should have been put away. If not, then how do you know? If you think we should put people away forever because of what someone thinks they may do in the future, we’ve really lost what little moral standing we still have.
Finally, think about your choice of wording: “I realize we can’t realistically round up and detain every Muslim male between the ages of 15-40.” Makes it sound like “if we could, I’d support rounding up and detaining every Muslim male…”. Is that what you really think?
**Richard Jewell was a captured suspected terrorist bomber. Should he have been held indefinitely? Granted, he’s a US citizen, but do you think that, maybe, we should find out if someone is actually guilty of something before throwing them away forever? When you say kill “again”, how do you know he killed before? Was there a trial or something? If so, then he should have been put away. If not, then how do you know? If you think we should put people away forever because of what someone thinks they may do in the future, we’ve really lost what little moral standing we still have. **
Not even worthy of discussion. As you mentioned Jewell is a US citizen. Not relevant.
Finally, think about your choice of wording: “I realize we can’t realistically round up and detain every Muslim male between the ages of 15-40.” Makes it sound like “if we could, I’d support rounding up and detaining every Muslim male…”. Is that what you really think?
My choice of wording was used because its the only method that assures there are no future Muslim terrorist attacks not that I endorse it. The flip side of the the coin is to do nothing and not detain any Muslim males between the ages of 15-40. Now if we arrest/detain someone with an AK 47 firing at US troops then I have abolutely no problem holding them indefinitely.
“Homicide bomber” what a completely redundant meaningless Faux News idiot term of the day.
It’s a real dilemna. This is one of the things about this “new kind of war” that we so far have completely failed to come to grips with. I don’t think we’ve even tried- it looks complicated, so we’ve just reverted to the “old kind of war” policies with regard to POWs.
Keeping POWs until the cessation of hostilties during war is one thing the war will one day end. I think it becomes an entirely different question when not only is there is no end of the war in sight, the end of war is just about inconceivable. In that case, you’re faced with holding an ever growing number of detainees until they die. I’m not real comfortable with that.
But I don’t want released detainees taking up the war again either.
We can’t have it both ways, we can’t call prisoners enemy combatants in order to hold them indefinitely as POWs on the one hand, and on the other call them terrorists, or criminals not covered by international laws meant to protect POWs.
They are either POWs or they are not. If they are, we shouldn’t be torturing them.
This administration, surprise surprise, has absolutely no plan on how to deal with prisoners. they didn’t have a plan to fight the war why should we expect themn to have a plan to deal with its inevitable consequences.
Secret black prisons, doublespeak about torture…no we don’t but we’d like to if the need arises???, cruel and inhumane treatment ain’t really torture???
Armytriguy, the people who bombed the Amman hotels were all Iraqi citizens. How many terror attacks did Iraqi citizens carry out against US targets before the invasion of their country?? ZERO, NADA, NONE…you are whining that out policies led to the release of someone who went on to attack American owned hotels…DUDE OUR POLICIES CREATED THESE BOMBERS, AND THOUSANDS MORE LIKE THEM. So we released ONE…we created a whole damn country full of them. WE DID. Can you see the wood for the trees?
**We can’t have it both ways, we can’t call prisoners enemy combatants in order to hold them indefinitely as POWs on the one hand, and on the other call them terrorists, or criminals not covered by international laws meant to protect POWs. **
I don’t disagree. I’m not convinced I have a viable solution, though.
They are either POWs or they are not. If they are, we shouldn’t be torturing them.
We shouldn’t be torturing them either way.
“round up and detain every Muslim male between the ages of 15-40.”
Can we round up and detain avery redneck 15-40 to keep another OKC or Atlanta Olympics bombing from happening?
How about rounding up every high school aged male to keep another school shooting from happening.
I have heard of a gulf war vet coming home and killing his wife…Can we round up all the gulf war vets too?
“round up and detain every Muslim male between the ages of 15-40.”
Can we round up and detain avery redneck 15-40 to keep another OKC or Atlanta Olympics bombing from happening?
How about rounding up every high school aged male to keep another school shooting from happening.
I have heard of a gulf war vet coming home and killing his wife…Can we round up all the gulf war vets too?
How about rounding up every Republican Congressman to prevent future leaks of classified information?
Only after torture is legaliuzed by Cheney
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**“Homicide bomber” what a completely redundant meaningless Faux News idiot term of the day. **
Is that too harsh a description for you? Does it not more accurately reflect what it is? Suicide bomber is the lefts way of portraying these idiots as some kind of martyr.
Hasnt GWB used the term “Suicide Bombers”?
He is sooooo lib.
Ummm no Armytriguy, its a given that all bombers are homicide bombers…its what bombs are supposed to do…kill people.
We use the term suicide bomber to differentiate them because they take their own lives in the act of exploding their bombs. The word serves to give a little extra information about the act and the perpetrator. Using the word “homicide” is completely redundant…its a given.
Can we round up and detain avery redneck 15-40 to keep another OKC or Atlanta Olympics bombing from happening?
How about rounding up every high school aged male to keep another school shooting from happening.
I have heard of a gulf war vet coming home and killing his wife…Can we round up all the gulf war vets too?
Well now that depends? Do any of your examples above come close to the number of Muslim related terrorist acts even in the last 12 months? Is so then I would say yes. If not then your examples are idiotic.
A few numbers for you and your view of this wonderful religion of peace.
**More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. **(http://www.crisismagazine.com/october2003/madden.htm)
More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/violence/death95w.htm)
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html)
19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals put to death in the last 65 years. (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ESPYdate.pdf)
*More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. **(*http://www.crisismagazine.com/october2003/madden.htm)
What are you talking about? This link doesn’t come close to backing up this fairly incredible assertion.
Ummm no Armytriguy, its a given that all bombers are homicide bombers…its what bombs are supposed to do…kill people.
Actually many bombs are not designed to kill. Many are designed to stun and disorient. Many are also designed to maim and mutilate, not kill.
Ummm no Armytriguy, its a given that all bombers are homicide bombers…its what bombs are supposed to do…kill people.
We use the term suicide bomber to differentiate them because they take their own lives in the act of exploding their bombs. The word serves to give a little extra information about the act and the perpetrator. Using the word “homicide” is completely redundant…its a given.
So is suicide bomber a redundant term also?
yeah ans stink bombs are meant to smell bad and water bombs are meant to soak.
You’re splitting hairs.
So is suicide bomber a redundant term also?
No. Is this really that hard?
Actually many bombs are not designed to kill. Many are designed to stun and disorient. Many are also designed to maim and mutilate, not kill.
Some of them just blow stuff up, too…buildings, bridges, that sorta stuff.
Also, there are some that are designed to destroy tanks, bring down airplanes, sink ships, destroy radar sites, render airstrips unusable, etc.