Hoka shoes and rolling ankles?

Exact same prob with Stinson Evo, im a runner of 20+yrs with only an occasional ankle roll but since using Hoka im rolling almost every run at least once!! i was profesionally fitted out at a very reliable trail running specialist store in Melbourne, i asked about possible ankle rolling, said i shouldnt have any probs, i was advised to get the Stinson evo for the trails, which i did but pretty much since my first trail run i was rolling ankles regularly, very scary! I contacted Hoka Australia, the rep there is the worst PR guy for the brand, he basically said try another model ($200+ hahaa sure!) he mentioned he would get back to me about some other points but i was to “feel free to remind him” !!! what a twat! basically im not important, the guy has no idea the damage he does to his brand by saying that. He took my Facebook post "ankle rolling prob’ question offline as it wasnt a ‘rave review’ for Hoka, then he had the tenacity to send a FB message on Hoka Australia to “check out all the posts from happy Hoka customers”, the moral of the storey is, dont believe the BS thats on the web as its all potentially filtered, i admit’ i got sucked in a bit by this by this, best advice is to chat to someone you know who tried them already.
Me’ im going back to basics, good old Mizuno road shoe with a bit more tread for the trails, 20 yrs of injury free running cant be wrong …

I run in Bondis and do many trail races and have not had a problem. They do have a wider sole on them which may contribute to the added stability.

MOP_Mike.
I’ve got 1200 miles on the original Bondi, Bondi S, and Bondi S2. Observations:
I would be very interested in see a pic of the bottom of your Bondi’s. I have had two pair of the Bondi B’s and they seemed to me to wear very fast. I am 6’2" and 210lbs though so that will take a toll but when I see folks talking about 1000+ miles and I am only seeing about 300 I have to ask. Are you running them until they are like Newtons?

MOP_Mike.
I’ve got 1200 miles on the original Bondi, Bondi S, and Bondi S2. Observations:
I would be very interested in see a pic of the bottom of your Bondi’s. I have had two pair of the Bondi B’s and they seemed to me to wear very fast. I am 6’2" and 210lbs though so that will take a toll but when I see folks talking about 1000+ miles and I am only seeing about 300 I have to ask. Are you running them until they are like Newtons?

That’s 1200 cumulative miles:

270 Miles on the original Bondi
700 Miles on my first Bondi S
320 Miles so far on my Bondi S2

The tread wears pretty quickly, but doesn’t affect shoe performance much as the tread is pretty minimal to start with. The midsole wear seems inconsistent: My original Bondi developed a serious cant to the medial side within 200 miles. My second shoe lasted 700 miles. Go figure.

To add to the shoe, lace, and removal of orthotics suggestions above… it would be a very good idea to start strengthening your ankles using a resistance band–inversion, eversion, plantar & dorsiflexion.

With every ankle roll the chance of rolling again increases. Even if you find a solution in the above suggestions it’s VERY important to have tissues that support alignment.

I have the Hoka Stinson Tarmac and been having problems with rolling ankles on trails. It’s happening too frequently. Can’t really avoid it no matter how careful I am on planting my feet.

Anyone know of a way to deal with this? Replace the fast ties with standard laces? Remove my orthotics? Buy mafates or the Stinson trail when running trails?

thanks.

I use Bondi Bs (with orthotics) as a semi-regular training shoe, frequently on trails. I don’t feel they contribute any increased tendency towards sprained ankles.

For me, the most significant contributing factors toward propensity to spraining an ankle are recency of last sprain (ongoing weakness), running speed/stride length (more likely to happen in a fast, short race than an ultra) and loss of concentration.

Definitely, the carry-over weakness from a recent sprain is the greater concern for me. Sprains are more likely to happen in clusters, then I can go for years without very few.

Many years ago, I went through a particularly annoying phase of continually spraining ankles that kept me off the trails and confined my training to the road and track. Frustrating enough in itself, when you have miles of gorgeous trails leading from home, all the way to work and to university as well. Worse still when your banging out 120 miles a week. :frowning: Annoyingly, I even still managed to occasionally turn my ankle on even small irregularities on the pavement.

Two things I learnt on that period. Assiduous resistance/strengthening exercises using an appropriate length of rubber inner tube is ideal for recovery. Proper taping of damaged ankles can safely get you through trail ultras.