Hoka Bondi B - quick review

the bondi b for 2012 is now, reportedly, true to size, which brings it in line with their other shoes.

this shoe kills it. this is THE ironman shoe, bar-none. bar-none. interestingly, the stinson evo - their new trail shoe - has “triathlon features”, like a loop on the heel and quickie laces. put these features in the bondi b (which in my view is the better motif for triathlon) and you have the world’s best tri shoe, and the best tri shoe ever made, esp for 70.3 and IM racing.

now, here’s a positive/negative shout out. mark rouse, of runners high n tri, based in chicagoland’s burbs, maintains one of the half-dozen best technical running stores in north america. the bondi is the newton killer. if you sell a lot of newtons, this shoe is the next evolution in low-ramp shoes. you’re known to be the seller of next-generation shoes, mark, and this is it. mark, you know about this shoe, why do you not sell this shoe?

mark, you’re not alone, i think some of the very best technical running stores that cater to triathletes have tried to show loyalty to brands investing in triathlon, like k-swiss and avia. hoka one one has no budget and so has not made this investment. they don’t advertise with anyone, us included. but, they just make this red smokin’ hot shoe. so, just based on the shoe - the product - this cannot not be in tri specific footwear stores.

when someone who is a very good runner, and holds the purse strings, tries this shoe, that’s another story. then the shoe comes in. i sent a pair to cid cardoso, who’s a great runner as many slowtwitchers know (esp those in his AG). cid ran in them for a week, and then called up and ordered deep.

so, to specialty running stores, all 700 of you in the u.s., here’s the naked truth: you represent a small minority of the technical footwear sales sold by the flagship brands. i don’t see evidence they care much about you. if you want a shoe that’s a light year better for serious runners than nike, adidas, and asics, and you don’t want to have to compete with big boxes - who these shoe companies care about more than they care about each of you - then, here’s the shoe that god made for your store. esp if you sell to triathletes, the customers god made for your store.

I just ordered a pair.

My favorite shoes of all time were a very cushioned shoe, the Asics Excalibur GT, so maybe these will have a similar feel?

I’ll post my results.

-Robert

I got the Hoka Stinson Evos used and absolutely love them. I am very open minded and have a lot of different types of shoes. They are the best and I do get way less leg fatigue than I do with other shoes. To be fair, I do not run in them all the time because of price and I like them for my middle and long distance runs and not for speed. For speed, I am using the Brooks adrenalines. Nice review and I think all of your points are correct. I’m also surprised they are hard to find.

“For speed, I am using the Brooks adrenalines.”

i was an adrenaline addict for years. every new iteration. as much as i liked that shoe, for me the bondi b smokes the adrenaline every which way. speed in particular. i could never race a 5k or 10k in the adrenaline. but the bondi is both my training shoe and my race shoe, all the way down to 5k.

i come from a running background, staring in HS, and i’m 55 now, so i’ve been at this for awhile. i don’t say the bondi is my race shoe because i’m not a runner and am not familiar with flats, and what makes a good flat. but i can’t run in a 7oz or 8oz shoe, because i need structure (i’m a hyper overpronator), and because i’m not a lightweight. even as a sophomore in HS i was mid 150s, and i’m mid 160s now. i get leg sore in light flats. but i can tough it out for 5k. still, the bondi is a faster shoe for me, because i’m much fresher in the last mile.

Thanks for the info. I am a super pronator and wear orthotics and they have really helped me. The hoka’s are still pretty light with the orthotics and the leg fatigue difference is significant. I may have to get some Bondi’s now…

I ran in my new Mafate Lows this morning and they are *light *and cushioned!

The tongue is pretty stiff and digs into the top of my foot a little. Otherwise, I look forward to seeing if I enjoy them on road runs from work as much as the trail runs out of my back door…

they even have a dog’s version now …

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/255766_1956955678059_1067730276_32174098_4048991_n.jpg

btw, I’ve ordered a pair now and am very curious how they’ll work for me …

I am on my second pair of Bondi’s. I got 600 miles out of the first pair. I weigh 210. YMMV

Based on all the recommendations from Slowman, Monty, et al, I’ve just ordered a pair of Hoka Stinson B (combo XT) from RunningWarehouse. Seems like the right ones since I typically run a mix of road and trail in nearly every run. Can’t WAIT to give 'em a shot. Been running in Altras for the past month, but I’m training for a 33-mile trail race and the heels are getting pounded on the longer runs. Love the width in the toe box (I have wide forefeet) in the Altras, but I’m hoping the cushioning in the Hokas eliminate the foot pain I have on long trail runs. I normally wear 10 1/2 2E in New Balance, so I ordered these in 11 (they don’t come in widths). I’ll report back after a few runs.

Keep us updated. I’m thinking of ordering a pair to help with the easing back it running after peroneal tendonitis and ITBS.

Got the shoes yesterday. Family and friends laughed at them when I took them out of the box claiming they were “Old Man Shoes” and looked like Skechers Shape UPs. Got in my first run today- just a 4.5 mile post ride run. My wide forefeet felt good in the size 11s. Just had to tweak the laces a bit to get the right fit. I tend to wear my shoes pretty loose. First impression was that I was definitely taller in them! :slight_smile: They felt a bit heavy/clunky at first, but I realized it was likely just the bulk in the sole that gave that sensation. I was running at my normal pace with the same amount of effort as other shoes. The much-touted cushioning was amazing. Particularly on downhills where it felt like running on pillows. You can really open up your speed downhill in these. They eliminate any pounding. On flats and uphills, the rockered sole seems to facilitate a smooth foot plant and toe-off.
Planning to knock out 8-10 miles in them on Saturday, and if I don’t have any issues, a 22-miler on Sunday. I’ll let you know how they work out.

When that brand fails it will be because the name of that shoe is so fucking stupid.

Sorry to see in the thread you are laid up.

Thought I would add a note about Hoka’s.

I bought (on a whim) a pair of Hoka Ones (that’s what was available).
Didn’t think they were expensive as I have paid similar prices for other miracles.

Have always had trouble with the run. I’m a 45min 10K pb and a 3:59:59 Marathon (I like to think of it as sub 4 hr) sort of runner.

Extremely high arch, heavy (usually in the 175-185 range, I’m not short for my weight) and now officially old.

Tried all sorts of shoes, even barefoot. But never lasted more than a month of running without messing something up.
Arches, calves, hamstrings, Achilles, and of course shin splints. And that would be on 50 miles a month.

So with these pillows I am into a 2nd month, with increasing weekly mileage, which this week will top out nearer to 40 than 30.
This is of course nothing for a real runner, but for a plodder that’s a time frame that would take most good runners into 50 mile territory and beyond.
And everything is still working. Yes it’s a little hard on the hamstrings. But nothing to prevent continued running.

My ambition to actually run all the marathon part of the IM. requires that I run, these might just help accomplish that.

When that brand fails it will be because the name of that shoe is so fucking stupid.

Mojo,

I’m afraid to tell you that this brand is here to stay - at least for the next 4-5 years. In fact, start looking out for similar shoes from some of the bigger brands in the near future - starting with Salomon.

When that brand fails it will be because the name of that shoe is so fucking stupid.

Mojo,

I’m afraid to tell you that this brand is here to stay - at least for the next 4-5 years. In fact, start looking out for similar shoes from some of the bigger brands in the near future - starting with Salomon.

The death of the five-fingered, barefoot, sandal running fad is hereby noted. Long live moon boot running. :slight_smile:

Based largely on the recommendations in this thread, I just purchased a pair of Bondi B’s. I’m hoping somebody can help with sizing. My shoes are a US size 11 and are a bit tight, especially in the toebox. But, I suspect that I may have gotten a pair with the older (unisex) size. The tag in the tongue is marked “UK 10.5, EU 45.3, USm 11, USw 12”. The last two US sizes lead me to believe that the shoe is made on a unisex last. The Hoka website lists unisex, men’s, and woman’s version of the Bondi B. The tag has a date code suggesting the shoes were made in December, 2011.

So, I’m guessing that the unisex shoes shown on the website are the older models, and the new m/f shoes have the new sizing. Can anyone confirm or refute this? Can someone with a “new” shoe tell me if the shoe or box says “mens” anywhere, and whether or not the tag in the shoe says “USw”?

If it turns out that I just have an old unisex shoe, then I’ll try to exchange it for a newer men’s in the same size. Otherwise, I’ll size up.

Thanks for your help.

My Stinson Bs say they were made in August of 2011 and also have the USM and USW sizing. I’m a 10.5 2E, but got 11s to accomodate my wider feet. Fit is pretty good but not perfect. Lengthwise, they’re fine.

sounds like you got a pair prior to them rejiggering the sizing. i’d send them in for a half-size up. just make sure the half-size up isn’t out of the newer batch :wink:

Thanks guys.

Dan, do you happen to know if the unisex sizes are in fact the old models, and the mens/womens sizes are the new ones?

If you have a new model, does the tag in the tongue still list both USM and USW sizes?

The issue for me is toebox width, which I would presume is bigger on a mens shoe. If I do really have a unisex one, then I’d like to try to exchange it for the same size in mens, rather than size up to the next unisex size.

afaik, and as well as i can remember, the unisex as well as specific mens and womens models have always been around.