HITS Palm Springs 2013 Review

I will not complain about the absurd weather conditions at the 2013 race because HITS cannot control the weather, but I will say it was freakin’ cold, barely 40 degrees, and there was a high wind warning in effect (and not for no reason), and the water was easily 50-55 degrees, . At the start of the race the director said the water temp was 61. No dude. Not even close.

This is their second, or third year putting on this race in La Quinta, California. They advertise “Palm Springs, California,” but that is not true or accurate. It is 30 miles from Palm Springs to Lake Cahuilla, in La Quinta, where the race is held. Kind of like their “Napa” race which is 30 miles away at Lake Berryessa. I get the advertising thing, but at least change to something more descriptive.

This was not my first half, obviously, and I’m not a hater, but there are a lot of things wrong with this race where I cannot give it a passing grade. If this is the “crown jewel” of the race series, as they claim, then that’s pretty sad. Again, this has nothing to do with the weather.

PRE-RACE. Packet pickup is at Lake Cahuilla park, where the swim is. Packet pickup was super fast, even with a line of people. It was just a manila envelope with your race stuff (TriTats markings, timing chip, swim cap) and a plastic bag for the race swag. You can’t even call it “swag,” it is just a bunch of advertisements and other crap. HITS is not spending money on a reusable bag of any kind, not a tote bag, or string backpack, nothing. Just a small plastic bag. There were 12-15 vendors at the race expo, all of the usual vendors who are at these things. HITS publicity people said this was a “a sizeable fitness expo,” and that is a direct quote. It is also completely untrue.

Pre-Race athlete meeting was interesting in that there were some “this year” explanations that sounded like the same thing I read about last year, so really, these are just excuses. More on that later. The race director said there were 550 racers for the half and I did not hear how many for the full, but it was not a lot. When I looked at the unofficial results, only 21 men finished and zero women. That might not have been accurate.

At the meeting they said the water temperature was 61 degrees. No way. The temperature in the area had been in the high 20s to low 40s for several days. Lake Cahuilla is not a heated pool. There is no way the water was 60. Probably 50-55. If the race director had told the truth and said, the friggin water will be freezing, I would have gone out and bought booties. Oh well.

SWIM. We were told that since they did not have boats in the water they had to move the course inward and there would be two loops (for the half). Fine. Whatever. You said the same thing last year, so how was that different this year?

The near length was so near to the shore, I saw people standing up and just walking. In the water. It was really weird to see. And they were in your way since it was mass start. At the turn buoy, if you were over 5 ft tall, you could just walk it. What a joke. Not against USAT rules to walk, but still, this was supposed to be a swim, and if you were not swimming the best line, you would literally knuckle drag on the bottom of the lake at some points. Otherwise, Lake Cahuilla is clean, the water was crisp, pretty clear, and no real chop. The “beach” is murder on your feet. This is more like gravel than sand. I heard many people complaining and not just because of the freezing temperature. The “wave” start was men at 7:00 and women at 7:03. Seriously, what’s the point.

TRANSITION. As you head to transition from the swim, the race director is there to greet you out of the water, and transition is a beauty. Box-style bike racks, and stools with your race number/name, all in numerical/alphabetical order. Lots of space. If you like a luxury like this, then great. If you don’t care, then you don’t care.

This was supposed to be a “secure” transition with wristbands and people at the entrance/exits checking, but I have to say, at the end of the race, while there was a guy where you run out, there was no one checking where you bike in, so anyone could have just walked out with anything on that end.

BIKE: Two out and back laps for the half on what must be the worst roads in the area. As you head down Jefferson Street to get out of the park, you are on really rough roads. It might as well have been cobblestone. Water bottles were flying out of their holders it was so bumpy. And the riders going in and out were sharing one lane of space, totally unmarked. We were told for this first mile it was a “no passing” zone. Just about everyone ignored that, and who wouldn’t, because, one, there were no race marshals anywhere; and two, who in the hell wants to go 10 mph behind some first-timer. I tried to obey the rules, but even I had to pass people crawling on their bikes. That’s three miles of crawling along on the bike route so forget about having a PR here.

From Jefferson (which turns into 58th Ave) you turn right on Jackson, left onto 66th Ave, and then out to the turn around. 10% of these roads are recently paved. 20% are decently paved but a bit rough. 70% are tar sealed and rutted roads and extremely rough. And this is pretty funny because when you come into La Quinta the roads are beautiful and expansive, North toward Interstate 10, but we went East and South, out toward rural area and farmland, where the roads are narrow and pretty bad.

The roads were NOT closed to traffic. Once you got out of the park and two miles down Jefferson Street, the roads were not even marked off with cones. Nothing. Not even race signage, or warning signs, nothing. At intersections there were police, thankfully, because these two lane roads were open to two lanes of traffic driving with the race participants on both sides so often you would be in the road and there would be cars behind you trying to get by, plus cars coming at you IN YOUR LANE because they are going around the riders going in the other direction. We even had a big rig, tractor/trailer, 18-wheeler, whatever you call it, with us during the race, and let me tell you that was a lot of fun having him go down 66th Ave trying to squeeze in between the riders on both sides, and the oncoming traffic.

Apparently HITS cannot afford road closures, or taking a route on the nice roads where all of the resorts and clubs are at North of the lake.

The right turn at 58th and Jackson, a solid 90 degree turn on streets not closed to traffic, had gravel across the entire intersection. No one bothered to take 5 minutes and broom that dangerous turn. There was an accident at one intersection, with an ambulance and police and who knows what happened there. I am surprised there were not more accidents, especially on that gravel.

There was exactly one aid station on the bike route, at the turn around, with water bottles, HEED in bike bottles, and one bathroom. One. There was maybe six volunteers here, and no spectators, but that was pretty much true for the entire course outside the park, bike and run. I saw no race marshals anywhere, and therefore saw drafting, ipods, etc. At least when I did see loose dogs, I also saw a cop stop there telling the people to put the dogs away.

RUN. The run out is pretty stupid. When you get off the bike, and start your run, who in heck wants to run over grassy knolls that are uneven and dry and have rocks? Basically you are just looking at the ground hoping you don’t hit something and twist an ankle. This goes on for about 150 meters, then you run along Lake Cahuilla Park Road around the lake, and then head down a small dirt access road to Jefferson Street, where, again, you have watch out for twisting your ankle. For the next few hundred meters you have maybe 4-6 feet of space for between the side of the road and traffic, and in some places even less space. Once you get out to 58th Avenue, you actually right turn up Madison and then get to run on pretty nice roads in the nice area of town. One major intersection had police, and there were, I think, four aid stations, maybe five, including one bathroom. Aid stations served the usual water, HEED, bananas, oranges, pretzels, and then some unusual stuff like cookies, chips, and other processed foods. And Coke. Seriously. At one aid station where I asked for water and I thought I was confused when he said Coke, I was like, no, water, and he was like, we only have Coca-Cola or generic cola that they said was Coke. I don’t put that junk in my body. Why wouldn’t you have water, but you would have Coke? I’ve never even seen Coke at any triathlon, marathon, or any event I have ever been to. But who knows, maybe I wasn’t paying attention because they did have Chili Dogs at the LA Marathon.

The roads were not closed so we were basically sharing the bike lane for the run, along with traffic, and the speed limit on these roads are 45, 50, and 55. Seriously, 55mph on a surface street and we have two lanes of runners squeezed into a bike lane. A few people ran on the sidewalks, but they are the meandering S-shaped sidewalks so not flat, and not straight. On the other side of the sidewalk, however, was a dirt recreation trail for a couple of miles, and I ran on that, away from the cars.

That same grassy knolls you run out of, you also run back into, except at the finish chute there is a basically a sharp 90 degree right turn 20 feet or so from the finish line, so don’t kill yourself or break something trying to finish strong.

Finish Line food. Forget it. Water. Bagels. Bananas. Just not worth it and it was so cold you just wanted to leave anyway.

The race medal is the same for every HITS venue with only the strap being different. That’s pretty lame.

FINAL NOTES. The race director seems like a great guy, but this route is sub-par especially given the price, and this is the “championship” race. When you throw in terrible weather conditions it was a pretty brutal day. When I got back to transition, the wind storm had covered everything in dirt. Great. I checked my time on the website, and using the so-called “innovative” app, but somehow there was no chip time, only gun time, and my timing chip apparently did not get recorded each time (i.e., no bike in) so who even knows what my chip time was. I’d go back and look to see final official results, except I don’t care, I was just happy to be done before the wind storm got any worse than it already was.

According to the results, HITS said before the race in their press release that this was “one of the largest Full distance fields it has seen so far in the 2013 series, as well as a sold out Half distance.” I did not see 550 racers, as they claimed. It looked more like 400 to me, but then that’s just eyeballing it.

Wow! Registered on slow twitch today to write this? I did this race and had fun. I don’t get everyone wanting perfect conditions with perfect roads and totally catered. How about just doing the race and quit being so soft , worrying about things like goodie bags. I felt like it was just like when we used to race to test our fitness and that’s it. I miss those days and honestly see the average “new” triathlete as soft. Just my opinion.

I find it funny how he can “eyeball” the difference between 550 people in a race and “what he thought” was 400.

Also - I picked up my wife’s packet the day before and saw some of the guys finishing some pretty decent food. Must mean the OP is REEEEAAAAAAAALLLLLY slow.

“but this route is sub-par especially given the price” I dont know what you paid, but many people who signed up early got the half for $75-100. You pay 3 times as much for an ironman branded race. As for the course, it is similar conditions for the desert tri that happens in march, which has perfect weather and temperature (water IS 62*+ ), but with your dislike of the course I dont think we will be seeing you there?

Yeah, registered today to write it. Never felt like posting to the forum before. I’m usually just a reader. Is that okay with you?

I had fun too. Did I say I didn’t have fun? Was I supposed to review my personal feelings, or the race itself? Do other people care how I feel or do they want to read a review about the event and the organizer? When I went to read reviews about last year’s event, I was not looking for how people felt since that’s pretty useless to the event itself.

If the event were the only thing, and that’s all people “worried” about (your words, which have nothing to do with what I wrote) then the expo and swag and after party would not even exist. But it does exist. And you pay for it. So it should be comparative to other races.

But then since you think a critical review is being “soft,” you’re really not the person it was written for.

You can’t tell the difference of 150 people all standing near you?

Decent food is clearly subjective.

I’d say you set your expectations too high. If you had come on ST and read some race reports from this race in 2011 and 2012, you would have known what to expect. HITS offers very heavily discounted prices to those who have signed up early, so they don’t make even close to what organizations like WTC for example make on their races, and have a liberal transfer policy. All of that translates to less money for HITS, which means less services at the races.

I would agree that the race wasn’t perfect, but not many races are 100% perfect. Water was definitely colder than 61. I’d say it was around 57. As far as Coke on the run, every single Ironman or other long distance foot race I’ve ever done in the past 8 years has Coke on the run. Do a search here on Slowtwitch for “Coke” and you’ll see thousands of returns. It’s a very effective quick energy provider in an endurance event. Caffeine and sugar which work in unison to bring many runners back from the “dead”.

If you had done HITS the first year they had the La Quinta race, the roads were abysmal and stray dogs were chasing us on the bike on nearly every road we rode on, and most aid stations had one person at them, with ZERO food options at them…only water at most. I remember one run aid station that had those giant Hammer plastic bottles of water ON THE RUN for racers…no cups. And for the bike, there would be one person manning the bike aid station who just sat there. You’d have to pull over to get your water bottle. Read my RR here and you’ll see they’ve improved big time:

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=3665698;search_string=palm%20springs;#3665698

Still soft!

The desert tri is too close to the LA Marathon and the LA Marathon is too much of a blast to miss.

As far as the cost, I judged from the listed “base price,” since that is what people can compare it to.

I’m not sure how the lower cost means running across the grass when there was plenty of asphalt for the route, or riding on back roads, and again, this is in the “championship” series of the events. Other readers will have different views.

Yeah, registered today to write it. Never felt like posting to the forum before. I’m usually just a reader. Is that okay with you?

I had fun too. Did I say I didn’t have fun? Was I supposed to review my personal feelings, or the race itself? Do other people care how I feel or do they want to read a review about the event and the organizer? When I went to read reviews about last year’s event, I was not looking for how people felt since that’s pretty useless to the event itself.

If the event were the only thing, and that’s all people “worried” about (your words, which have nothing to do with what I wrote) then the expo and swag and after party would not even exist. But it does exist. And you pay for it. So it should be comparative to other races.

But then since you think a critical review is being “soft,” you’re really not the person it was written for.

I guess you have not done as many races, or are new to racing (including running)? Most races have crappy pizza , bananas or bagels post race.

I posted a review based on what I experienced, and that’s it. I don’t go into races with any expectations other than (1) the event will take place, (2) I will finish (3) and the event will be looking out for safety. A broom on an intersection with gravel is easy stuff. Signs posted here and there on an open course is also easy stuff. They had signs close to the park, so I know they have signs.

I neglected to put in my review that it seemed an improvement over the reviews I read of prior years. I’m sure next year will be even better, and I’ll see them up in Napa in April.

You have to admit, the swim route is a little weird when you see people aqua walking/jogging the swim.

I did the Olympic distance on Sunday. Every part of this review is true! Race morning temp was 36 degrees - took all day to warm up :frowning:

You’re right, they all do, but how many of them advertise as the “championship” or the “crown jewel” or “impressive merchandise and coveted athlete swag” and so on? That’s the take away, but then you assumed I must not have done many races because I mentioned the disparity between what they say and what they do.

I posted a review based on what I experienced, and that’s it. I don’t go into races with any expectations other than (1) the event will take place, (2) I will finish (3) and the event will be looking out for safety. A broom on an intersection with gravel is easy stuff. Signs posted here and there on an open course is also easy stuff. They had signs close to the park, so I know they have signs.

I neglected to put in my review that it seemed an improvement over the reviews I read of prior years. I’m sure next year will be even better, and I’ll see them up in Napa in April.

You have to admit, the swim route is a little weird when you see people aqua walking/jogging the swim.

I did post in another thread on this race that it was the weirdest swim I’ve ever done in nearly 100 triathlons (I think). At any rate, certainly nothing close to a WTC race, but they are making small strides each year.

OP- not necessarily directed to you but, herein lies the problem: we bitch that WTC entry fees are outrageous, yet they sell out in seconds. Here is a RD that puts on wicked cheap races and people expect to have champagne and caviar every mile! HITS’ success is up to us, via our entry to their races. Otherwise, we will be doomed to pay $500 for the new WTC sprint series! (pink)

I posted a review based on what I experienced, and that’s it. I don’t go into races with any expectations other than (1) the event will take place, (2) I will finish (3) and the event will be looking out for safety. A broom on an intersection with gravel is easy stuff. Signs posted here and there on an open course is also easy stuff. They had signs close to the park, so I know they have signs.

I neglected to put in my review that it seemed an improvement over the reviews I read of prior years. I’m sure next year will be even better, and I’ll see them up in Napa in April.

You have to admit, the swim route is a little weird when you see people aqua walking/jogging the swim.

I did post in another thread on this race that it was the weirdest swim I’ve ever done in nearly 100 triathlons (I think). At any rate, certainly nothing close to a WTC race, but they are making small strides each year.

They did it cause the deeper you go out in the water the more the temperature drops. Vineman is also shallow. As for op complaining about run course, try these more popular races: wildflower 70.3, june lake 70.3, super frog 70.3 - you will never complain about any run course again!

just to be clear, there were 2 aid stations on the bike, both with port-a-poddies. The first was at the turnaround (mile 14), and the second was near transition (mile 28).
Agree with others, water temp was likely 58ish. I didn’t use booties and only had the race cap and was fine. I guess it’s all relative.
I think I paid $100 for the half, so my expectations were in line with that. Based on the number of deals and promotions available for HITS races, I doubt many people paid full price to race last weekend.

I didn’t mind running on the grass or dirt. I appreciate the efforts RDs have to go through to squeeze some of these courses into rural and urban areas. (see the thread about Rev3 (allegedly) looking for race locations in California)

I agree that the bike course could have been a little safer in regards to being an open course. A couple times cars would pass down the middle of the road with cyclists going opposite directions on each side of the road. Other than the gravelly intersection, the road conditions didn’t bother me. I didn’t think they were that bad. Based on some of your comments, I suggest you stay away from Wildflower (uneven running surfaces, rough roads, vehicles sharing the roads with racers).

Not trying to discredit your opinion, just sharing my point of view. Like I shared on another HITS thread, I thought it was odd that they didn’t have a race clock at the finish line.

They did it cause the deeper you go out in the water the more the temperature drops. Vineman is also shallow. As for op complaining about run course, try these more popular races: wildflower 70.3, june lake 70.3, super frog 70.3 - you will never complain about any run course again!

I was told it was because they weren’t allow to have any sort of watercraft on the lake, so for safety reasons, they had the swim right along the shore to quickly get someone out of the water that might be in trouble.

You indicate you went to the athlete meeting, did you get the RD’s phone number? Send him a text and see if he responds. My friend had some chip issues, sent him a text on Saturday night to let him know that even though the chip didnt seem to register his finish, he was indeed done and not to worry, and also to see if he can fix it and get his time. The RD texted him back quickly with a resolution.

I know the RD does post on ST, and is very open to suggestions. I actually think the suggestions are how the improvements have been made. And I was one of the few people at the Bike Aid station on the first shift Saturday, and it would have been nice to have a few more people out there to help. But it also would have been nice to have riders that knew enough not to stop directly in front of me to take the water bottle and take their sweet ass time filling up their bottles, eating, adjusting the junk. BUT you cant say there was 1 aid station, there was one at 14 miles, 28 miles (the other turn around spot had aid from what I know), 32 miles (my station for your second loop). I saw quite a few of you guys twice.

I did their olympic distance race last year, and in order to leave the park on foot you would have to go down the access road that you rightly refer to as cobblestone, which we did last year. So considering all the bottlenecks they have with the venue it is difficult at best to avoid either running on the grass or running back up through the gate with bikes and cars also using that same 2 lane wide road.

I do have some ideas for things that could be adjusted to make the race a better and safer experience, which I will email to the RD. I suggest you offer some constructive criticism directly to him with your ideas on how to better do it given the constraints of the venue.

Thats what I was told. I had a kayak strapped to my car the whole weekend, didnt realize I couldnt use it. Got told by the rangers when I got there Friday that they dont allow ANY watercraft of any sort to be out there. Sunday they had 2 inflatable paddleboards out there on the swim. I guess I needed an inflatable kayak!