“Without this challenge, and leaderboard carrot, NO WAY would I be running this much!”
did i dream it? or did you have some not very complimentary things to say in years past about the wisdom of the 100/100 challenge? 
glad to see it’s performing a service!
“Without this challenge, and leaderboard carrot, NO WAY would I be running this much!”
did i dream it? or did you have some not very complimentary things to say in years past about the wisdom of the 100/100 challenge?
glad to see it’s performing a service!
Yep, for most, this challenge is real dumb! And as Dev has written, unless one has been running a lot, going to 7 days a week running is dangerous,
and Dev recommends folks take breaks. Dev even posted that he suggests I back off.
Now in my case, I have been running basically 7 days a week for a long time. But, not in this type of volume. If you look at my Strava over the years, you will
see I was running 3 days a week for 90 minutes, and 4 days a week for 10 minutes and the treadmill doing bricks.
So, of course, my Type A took over and I really kicked up the volume. After the first week I said this was really stupid. I had been running on the treadmill before
my trainer bike and it was killing me. So I went to running on the treadmill after the bike. Again, getting carried away.
So after a few weeks of this, I again am asking if this is smart. I then see a person in one day have their numbers go up like 15 and I said that is the final straw, this is nuts.
So, I have dialed it back to something close to what I was already doing. My 3 days a week at 90 minutes, and 4 days a week at 30 minutes.
With that said, my comments have always been too many run too many intervals on the track thinking that speed work would get them faster! I never commented on folks running
stuff SLOW, like I do at 10 mpm pace. I also have stated that folks who run tons of miles long term I think is nuts. Just look at how few our age are still running, let alone running fast.
So, I have got myself grounded again and am back to my normal stuff. I have a race in less than 3 weeks, assuming it is not raining, and sure do not want to be hurt.
what does that mean? that the 100/100 is dumb and dangerous? as you once thought? or that it’s good motivation as long as you listen to your body and don’t get swept up into doing stuff you shouldn’t?
“Without this challenge, and leaderboard carrot, NO WAY would I be running this much!”
did i dream it? or did you have some not very complimentary things to say in years past about the wisdom of the 100/100 challenge?
glad to see it’s performing a service!
Yep, for most, this challenge is real dumb! And as Dev has written, unless one has been running a lot, going to 7 days a week running is dangerous,
and Dev recommends folks take breaks. Dev even posted that he suggests I back off.
Now in my case, I have been running basically 7 days a week for a long time. But, not in this type of volume. If you look at my Strava over the years, you will
see I was running 3 days a week for 90 minutes, and 4 days a week for 10 minutes and the treadmill doing bricks.
So, of course, my Type A took over and I really kicked up the volume. After the first week I said this was really stupid. I had been running on the treadmill before
my trainer bike and it was killing me. So I went to running on the treadmill after the bike. Again, getting carried away.
So after a few weeks of this, I again am asking if this is smart. I then see a person in one day have their numbers go up like 15 and I said that is the final straw, this is nuts.
So, I have dialed it back to something close to what I was already doing. My 3 days a week at 90 minutes, and 4 days a week at 30 minutes.
With that said, my comments have always been too many run too many intervals on the track thinking that speed work would get them faster! I never commented on folks running
stuff SLOW, like I do at 10 mpm pace. I also have stated that folks who run tons of miles long term I think is nuts. Just look at how few our age are still running, let alone running fast.
So, I have got myself grounded again and am back to my normal stuff. I have a race in less than 3 weeks, assuming it is not raining, and sure do not want to be hurt.
are you breaking the no more than 10% additional volume per week rule?
and 4 days a week for 10 minutes and the treadmill doing bricks.
With that said, my comments have always been too many run too many intervals on the track thinking that speed work would get them faster! I never commented on folks running
stuff SLOW, like I do at 10 mpm pace…
Dave,
Do you honestly think running bricks at 6:30 pace isn’t speed work for a 59 year old?
what does that mean? that the 100/100 is dumb and dangerous? as you once thought? or that it’s good motivation as long as you listen to your body and don’t get swept up into doing stuff you shouldn’t?
Depends. If done wrong, as my comments have always been about it, yep, dumb and dangerous. If done smartly, and you already have the training background, may help.
I was in the middle ground since already doing 7 days a week of running. So, I thought it was good motivation, but as expected, my Type A took over. I now am back grounded
and will just do my 7 days a week running, with just a tad more volume to hit the minimum 30 minutes per day, but thats it.
“Without this challenge, and leaderboard carrot, NO WAY would I be running this much!”
did i dream it? or did you have some not very complimentary things to say in years past about the wisdom of the 100/100 challenge?
glad to see it’s performing a service!
Yep, for most, this challenge is real dumb! And as Dev has written, unless one has been running a lot, going to 7 days a week running is dangerous,
and Dev recommends folks take breaks. Dev even posted that he suggests I back off.
Now in my case, I have been running basically 7 days a week for a long time. But, not in this type of volume. If you look at my Strava over the years, you will
see I was running 3 days a week for 90 minutes, and 4 days a week for 10 minutes and the treadmill doing bricks.
So, of course, my Type A took over and I really kicked up the volume. After the first week I said this was really stupid. I had been running on the treadmill before
my trainer bike and it was killing me. So I went to running on the treadmill after the bike. Again, getting carried away.
So after a few weeks of this, I again am asking if this is smart. I then see a person in one day have their numbers go up like 15 and I said that is the final straw, this is nuts.
So, I have dialed it back to something close to what I was already doing. My 3 days a week at 90 minutes, and 4 days a week at 30 minutes.
With that said, my comments have always been too many run too many intervals on the track thinking that speed work would get them faster! I never commented on folks running
stuff SLOW, like I do at 10 mpm pace. I also have stated that folks who run tons of miles long term I think is nuts. Just look at how few our age are still running, let alone running fast.
So, I have got myself grounded again and am back to my normal stuff. I have a race in less than 3 weeks, assuming it is not raining, and sure do not want to be hurt.
are you breaking the no more than 10% additional volume per week rule?
I totally blew by the 10% rule. I went in one week from like 35 to 72. I have never run that much. And yep, I kept telling my wife this was stupid. I am lucky I did not hurt myself
and am back to doing my normal training and not doing stupid things with this challenge.
and 4 days a week for 10 minutes and the treadmill doing bricks.
With that said, my comments have always been too many run too many intervals on the track thinking that speed work would get them faster! I never commented on folks running
stuff SLOW, like I do at 10 mpm pace…
Dave,
Do you honestly think running bricks at 6:30 pace isn’t speed work for a 59 year old?
I never said I do not do speed work. But, doing a few 10 minute bricks is, IMO, totally different than the amount of speed work I see many doing on the track.
And for an old guy at 60, not sure how much longer I can even do these 10 minute 6:30 pace bricks. They really kick my butt. BUT, I do believe when I can run them
on the treadmill, it has allowed me to also run this fast in races since I am mentally ready for the pain.
what does that mean? that the 100/100 is dumb and dangerous? as you once thought? or that it’s good motivation as long as you listen to your body and don’t get swept up into doing stuff you shouldn’t?
This thread is awesome. I’m a terrible runner yet I’m at 26/100 right now. No injuries. No problems. Quite honestly, I’m shocked that I’m ok. My plan was to back off as soon as my legs whimpered.
The challenge isn’t dumb or dangerous. It’s the people who are dumb and dangerous!
I’ve enjoyed the challenge so far. Maybe I’ll be a better runner at the end. So far so good…
“If done wrong, as my comments have always been about it, yep, dumb and dangerous.”
unlike other training theories and constructs that inoculate you from injury and unwise behavior?
“If done wrong, as my comments have always been about it, yep, dumb and dangerous.”
unlike other training theories and constructs that inoculate you from injury and unwise behavior?
We, including me, and do dumb stuff. Only after the fact may we see it.
Yep, for most, this challenge is real dumb! And as Dev has written, unless one has been running a lot, going to 7 days a week running is dangerous,
and Dev recommends folks take breaks. Dev even posted that he suggests I back off.
True, but one of the first things mentioned in the challenge is that you can do doubles, and you can and SHOULD take days off. So you don’t necessarily have to run 7 days / week to do 100/100.
Beyond the 10% rule, ATL:CTL ratio - and calculator - is a much more useful tool: http://www.runnersworld.com/the-fast-lane/acute-to-chronic-training-ratio-calculator?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebutton
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The 100 day challenge is both great and “dumb”. The dumb has to do with how some implement it. As designed, it is a great way to stay motivated. Yet, we as triathletes, tend to do too much, too soon. The 10% rule may hit a point in the 100 days when it is too much, but we get wrapped up into a “challenge” and continue.
At 61, I find it a useless challenge and not good for me. However, when this was first brought up years ago, I found it motivating.
Seems to me, it can go both ways.
Yep, for most, this challenge is real dumb! And as Dev has written, unless one has been running a lot, going to 7 days a week running is dangerous,
and Dev recommends folks take breaks. Dev even posted that he suggests I back off.True, but one of the first things mentioned in the challenge is that you can do doubles, and you can and SHOULD take days off. So you don’t necessarily have to run 7 days / week to do 100/100.
So true. But since I train 7 days a week and rarely take a day off, …
Beyond the 10% rule, ATL:CTL ratio - and calculator - is a much more useful tool: http://www.runnersworld.com/...campaign=sharebutton
That’s kinda cool. Wonder if we should throw it onto the log… 
-Eric
I think the idea of “running 7 days a week is dangerous” isn’t true at all.
You just have to build up incrementally, and it’s not only completely doable, but probably required if you’re running 80+mpw such as for an “A” race marathon.
I will admit that I’ve never been good at following the 10% rule, although I tend to pick mpw targets that are ambitious but not fantasy. And I’m sure it gets harder to ramp up fast the older you are.
I think the idea of “running 7 days a week is dangerous” isn’t true at all.
You just have to build up incrementally, and it’s not only completely doable, but probably required if you’re running 80+mpw such as for an “A” race marathon.
I will admit that I’ve never been good at following the 10% rule, although I tend to pick mpw targets that are ambitious but not fantasy. And I’m sure it gets harder to ramp up fast the older you are.
My experience, and what others have told me, is the older you get, the faster it goes away, and the harder, if at all, it takes to get back with a much higher risk of injury.
I also remember reading something from like Dave Scott that said in the off season, you can stop swimming and biking, but never ever stop running. The risk of injury
when starting to run again is too high. And I know lots of folks who do not follow this and have dealt with running injuries for years.
I like to run about 35 MPW. But other than my bricks, it is all LSD work with lots of hills, 7 days a week.
For most, who have not worked up slowly and stayed at it, well, these kind of challenges, as I have read over the years, does have a few get hurt.
“Without this challenge, and leaderboard carrot, NO WAY would I be running this much!”
did i dream it? or did you have some not very complimentary things to say in years past about the wisdom of the 100/100 challenge?
glad to see it’s performing a service!
Yep, for most, this challenge is real dumb! And as Dev has written, unless one has been running a lot, going to 7 days a week running is dangerous,
and Dev recommends folks take breaks. Dev even posted that he suggests I back off.
Now in my case, I have been running basically 7 days a week for a long time. But, not in this type of volume. If you look at my Strava over the years, you will
see I was running 3 days a week for 90 minutes, and 4 days a week for 10 minutes and the treadmill doing bricks.
So, of course, my Type A took over and I really kicked up the volume. After the first week I said this was really stupid. I had been running on the treadmill before
my trainer bike and it was killing me. So I went to running on the treadmill after the bike. Again, getting carried away.
So after a few weeks of this, I again am asking if this is smart. I then see a person in one day have their numbers go up like 15 and I said that is the final straw, this is nuts.
So, I have dialed it back to something close to what I was already doing. My 3 days a week at 90 minutes, and 4 days a week at 30 minutes.
With that said, my comments have always been too many run too many intervals on the track thinking that speed work would get them faster! I never commented on folks running
stuff SLOW, like I do at 10 mpm pace. I also have stated that folks who run tons of miles long term I think is nuts. Just look at how few our age are still running, let alone running fast.
So, I have got myself grounded again and am back to my normal stuff. I have a race in less than 3 weeks, assuming it is not raining, and sure do not want to be hurt.
are you breaking the no more than 10% additional volume per week rule?
I totally blew by the 10% rule. I went in one week from like 35 to 72. I have never run that much. And yep, I kept telling my wife this was stupid. I am lucky I did not hurt myself
and am back to doing my normal training and not doing stupid things with this challenge.
“I totally blew by the 10% rule. I went in one week from like 35 to 72. I have never run that much”…
Dave,
You haven’t been shy about offering training advice on this forum…some good, some not so good.
By typing those sentences, you have just nullified any training advice you’ve ever given on this forum… Doubling your mileage in a week is a recipe for disaster.
WTF were you thinking??
He’s counting Bionic Runner miles
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