I thought it was going to be a one piece full carbon wheel.From the picture it looks like a Stinger 90 rim with a cover.
In order to be legal under UCI rules a cover can’t be used, it has to be structural. Any idea if there are spokes under the carbon? The carbon could still be structual but if there aren’t spokes then it obviously has to be structural.
Styrrell
that’s what it looks like. Personally, I think that’s better anyway. You can true it, and you can lace it to a powertap, 2 good things. Of course, according to the new Hed website, the Stinger 9 is faster (by quite a bit) in any conditions I’ll see. Hmmmm…
As far as the cover being ‘structural’, it’s no different than Carbones, and they’ve been OK’d by the UCI forever. I’m sure they can pass it off as ‘structural’.
I’m not sure about how exactly carbones are made, but applying logic to UCI rules won’t get you very far ;-). If nothing else Mavic s French and HED is US.
Styrrell
To true the wheel does the cover come off? anybody?
I do believe that the cover does not come off, the tire does. The wheel is trued through the rim holes.
I don’t think this is anymore an illegal “fairing” then the the Cervelo P4 “water bottle”. Water bottle my a**. Its a “fairing”, to improve the aerodynamics of the frame.
I agree. I’d be a little leery of buying some of the frames with headtube / fork fairings, the P4, the hed disc, etc if UCI racing was a priority. UCI is very unpredictable and many of their decisions aren’t real sensible. That said very few on this forum have to be concerned with UCI rules.
Styrrell
Ya, I agree. Unless its a UCI race you are doing its no bid deal. But I don’t like it when people say, “…its a water bottle…” Baloney, its a fairing! There is only one reason for an “aerobottle” in that position, in that shape…its called a “fairing”.
Ya, I agree. Unless its a UCI race you are doing its no bid deal. But I don’t like it when people say, “…its a water bottle…” Baloney, its a fairing! There is only one reason for an “aerobottle” in that position, in that shape…its called a “fairing”.
I think it is a water bottle. A very aerodynamic water bottle on a very aerodynamic bottle holder. 
Is the one below a fairing or a water bottle? When precisely does a water bottle turns into a fairing? Is the Arundel bottle also a fairing?
Sergio
Ya, I agree. Unless its a UCI race you are doing its no bid deal. But I don’t like it when people say, “…its a water bottle…” Baloney, its a fairing! There is only one reason for an “aerobottle” in that position, in that shape…its called a “fairing”.
I think it is a water bottle. A very aerodynamic water bottle on a very aerodynamic bottle holder.
Is the one below a fairing or a water bottle? When precisely does a water bottle turns into a fairing? Is the Arundel bottle also a fairing?
Sergio
A company coming with a water bottle that can be fitted on any bike with a less drag is one thing and a bike company coming with a water bottle integrated to a frame to enhance the aero dynamics is different.
First off, if anyone can figure out the UCI you are a genius. If the word “subjective” could be squeezed into their title it would fit. Of course, they want to change allowable dimensions on TT bars now too. No more big wings designs that are 1/3 in width of 1/2 the bar length…? Of course, that has been countered by others at the UCI. Would this start now, yes, wait, no, 2010, not sure, start what? There are no straight answers from them, never has, never will. So, you end up fighting it in the start box with some underpaid referee.
Is that a cover, yes but it is structural. I believe there are some spokes underneath but that cover does not come off. One nice thing is that the Stinger 90 was already a stiff design so covering up the middle made sense. Is it legal? It wouldn’t have been made if it wasn’t based on some of the Pro Tour teams that work with. I am riding a C2 disc which is a spoked wheel underneath. The carbon is glued down to the rim though so nothing is coming off. I believe the UCI’s concerns is that covers that come on and off easily simply become a hazard to the rider should it come off, oh say, mid-race. At least that is my subjective assumption.
Bottles in frames. Yes, there are aero bottles such as the one pictured. I run a Bontrager Aero bottle with the personal belief that is has a fairing effect. I believe the issue was the bottle on the P4. There you see a frame designed around the bottle. If the bottle was not placed there in design most likely that would have been filled in anyhow thus subjectively activating the UCI coin flippers. Just go out and rent “The Flying Scotsman” to get the just of it.
A company coming with a water bottle that can be fitted on any bike with a less drag is one thing and a bike company coming with a water bottle integrated to a frame to enhance the aero dynamics is different.
Yes it is different in some way, but the purpose is the same.
Sergio
A company coming with a water bottle that can be fitted on any bike with a less drag is one thing and a bike company coming with a water bottle integrated to a frame to enhance the aero dynamics is different.
Yes it is different in some way, but the purpose is the same.
Sergio
Raise your hand if UCI rules apply to you.
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Everyone who didn’t raise their hand, shut up, and stop hijacking the thread.
Hand raised.
How about the sound of that HED disc. Does it sounds like a “real” disc? Not that there is anything wrong with that… but I am just wondering.
Sergio
It becomes a fairing when the bottle cage device and bottle are specifically designed “into” the frame to improve aerodynamics of that particular frame. Its a fairing. Yours is not. The cage device and bottle are not designed INTO the frame to improve its aerodynamics. The P4 gage and bottle are design with zero spaces as it fills a “gap” completely between the seat tube and the downtube. We can discuss this one forever and I’ll still say the P4 cage and bottle are a fairing. Yes, a very clever one, but still a fairing.
is this a fairing then?
is that the speedfil? pic is too small to tell…
I don’t get this debate/argument. If its “legal” within whatever governing body you race with, who cares? If you pay for it, you should use it. People pay $3500 for a P3C frame because 1) its the “most aero” and/or 2) it fits them…whats the difference?
no it’s the specialized aero bottle.
I’m not arguing whether its legal or not, whether it fits or not, whether its UCI approved or not. And I’m not going to “approve” all your bike cages/bottle setups : )
All I’m saying is the P4…and only the P4 had a cage and bottle designed INTO the frame for the sole purpose of increasing aerodynamics. An added cage/bottle by a different manufacturer does not fit into this category. The P4 system was designed specifically into the frame to improve aerodynamics during the design faze of the bike…thats all I’m saying. I’m not approving or disapproving the system, I’m not ssaying whether its good or bad, cheating or not…ALL I’m saying is I consider it a fairing.
And while you’re at it…take alook at the P4 downtube. Its actually cut for the cage and bottle to fill a void. Its a fairing! : ) You can’t use that cage and bottle in any other bike except the P4 since it was designed to increase the aerodynamics of only the P4 in that position.
So stop sending pictures of your bikes…I don’t care : )