Anyone notice this new wheel on the HED website?
http://www.hedcycling.com/jet/default.asp?content=5_Express
55 mm depth, cheaper than the Jet 6 or 9…but I notice the website copy makes no mention of SCT, so maybe they’re the old pre-SCT shape? Perhaps trying to go after the SRAM S60 market?
Asad
its not even clear that SCT is real
and at 5mm depth, you don’t need it.
Anyone notice this new wheel on the HED website?
http://www.hedcycling.com/jet/default.asp?content=5_Express
55 mm depth, cheaper than the Jet 6 or 9…but I notice the website copy makes no mention of SCT, so maybe they’re the old pre-SCT shape? Perhaps trying to go after the SRAM S60 market?
Asad
its not even clear that SCT is real
and at 5mm depth, you don’t need it.
IF SCT is real and is something similar to the Zipp Firecrest shape, then I would disagree that you don’t need it at 55mm – look at the drag comparison charts between the pre-firecrest old 404 and the 404FC (404FC is 58mm deep):
http://www.zipp.com/_media/images/dynamicproducts/404_drag_chart.gif
Asad
“SCT” is stability control technology, which if real would imply they tune the wheel to have a more consistent center of drag from side winds, focused at the axis of steering, so that side winds don’t steer you very much.
that would not necessarily mean that you also get the big drag reduction that zipp did from their firecrest shape.
HED isn’t very forthcoming about what actually changed and when with their jet shapes, so its reeally hard to say.
so anyway what I meant is you won’t have enough steering trouble with a 55mm deep wheel to worry about stability control tech.
The Jet 5 will be SCT tuned just like all of our wheels. Same shaping as all the wheels too.
The Jet 5 is our all around do everything wheel for a person that wants an aero wheel but wont necessarily race or have the options to select different depth wheels to race on. In 2012 all the Jets are FR except the Jet 5. It will be the only non-FR wheel in the Jet line. It will be a little cheaper as a result, $1550 for a set
Damn, wheel prices are just getting stupid high. Can’t imagine people paying retail. No offense Vince.
None taken 
Actually, our 2012 FR’s are cheaper than the 2011 FR’s,
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Vince, does your contact us link on your website work? or has it been down? I live right next door to shoreview, sent a few messages months ago, and got no reply?
I will say the jet disc is friggin’ awesome. Super comfortable (compared to non spoked disc wheels I’ve tried), and just fast.
But I don’t get forcing folks into the fr hubs. There is no way they are measurably faster than the current hubs. Also, when is the new aero data going to be released? I don’t care if you show competitors wheels, but I’d like to see the improvements made with the sct rim shape.
But your Jet line in general is up almost 90% in 5 years(or 55-60% if you compare the Express line):
Jet 60 in 2006 MSRP $450 front, $545 rear for a $995 total; now $1550 or $1900:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060620064525/http://www.hedcycling.com/cart/wheels.php
Hed 3 in 2006 was $1300 for a set, now $2100!
Ouch!
In comparison Zipp 404 clinchers retailed for $2100 in 2006, and having gone to a full carbon clincher rim since that time have only increased price to $2700 or 28%.
Anyone have a timeline with prices for Hed wheels. I’m pretty sure the price of the Hed 3 has quintupled since it was introduced.
So have prices on everything; cars, bikes, gas, houses, food, plane tickets etc… A Honda in 06 isnt the same price as a Honda in 2012. Look at a timeline for gas prices, house prices, etc…
The price of carbon has gone up and so has the cost of everything with carbon. Of course wheel prices have gone up. A lot of parts go into a wheel, one change in that from a supplier forces changes in the entire wheel.
Our wheels in 06 were at market price, just like our wheels in 12 are. In many cases, still cheaper.
To all wheel makers: Please give us time savings in seconds on a given course and stop advertising raw data.
I am only interested in one thing when shopping for new wheels:
Have: Hed Ardennes (before there were 10 different versions), Hed Jet disc (23mm tire), H3 front (20mm tire)
What if: I Swap the front wheel to a hed Jet 9 (23mm tire)
Time safed / lost over 180k (Kona course): xx seconds
It would be easy to program an app giving me just this information. And it is the only information I am interested in.
When I have this information, I can choose, whether xx seconds are worth yy dollars.
In order to do this, we would all need to agree on a reference wheel set. Currently the reference wheel set seems to be some generic 32 spoke wheel, that nobody rides. I suggest to use Ksyrium Elite (widely used, not very aero) as reference.
To all wheel makers: Please give us time savings in seconds on a given course and stop advertising raw data.
You’re funny. That would be “truth-in-advertising.” No chance this happens. For all but a very small number of folks (myself included) these wheels serve no purpose and are merely pretty to look at.
What do I mean by that? Well when you’re down right honest only a handful of folks (not me) are actually competing at these events and these time savings have real meaning. For everyone else (myself included) is it really a good use of your thousands of dollars of your money to drop 2 minutes (or whatever the data claims) over an Ironman where your 2 plus hours slower than the top racers in your age group.
p.s. I’ve got pretty race wheels and am no where near the top of my age group.
To all wheel makers: Please give us time savings in seconds on a given course and stop advertising raw data.
You’re funny. That would be “truth-in-advertising.”
it really wouldn’t, since the savings in seconds ‘depends’ on where the wind is
What do I mean by that? Well when you’re down right honest only a handful of folks (not me) are actually competing at these events and these time savings have real meaning. For everyone else (myself included) is it really a good use of your thousands of dollars of your money to drop 2 minutes (or whatever the data claims) over an Ironman where your 2 plus hours slower than the top racers in your age group.
well two points here - 1 is that do races other than ironman, local events where a few seconds might mean an AG win or something
So I’m loving the idea of these wheels. But I’m not loving the 190lb weight limit. Being well north of that, is there a fat boy option?
But your Jet line in general is up almost 90% in 5 years(or 55-60% if you compare the Express line):
Jet 60 in 2006 MSRP $450 front, $545 rear for a $995 total; now $1550 or $1900:
http://web.archive.org/....com/cart/wheels.php
Hed 3 in 2006 was $1300 for a set, now $2100!
Ouch!
In comparison Zipp 404 clinchers retailed for $2100 in 2006, and having gone to a full carbon clincher rim since that time have only increased price to $2700 or 28%.
In the last few years Hed offered a “regular” wheel and a more expensive Flamme Rouge (FR) version. The FR were about on-par with the price for a pre-Firecrest Zipp. This year, it looks like Hed has eliminated non-FR versions for many of its wheels. Of course, Zipp has switched to more expensive Firecrest and Firecrest clinchers for many of its wheels as well.
Vince - Hed’s position on carbon clinchers in the past has been that the trade-offs do not justify the purported benefits. With advances in carbon rim technology may Hed finally change its position and start selling a carbon clincher?
not only this model, but somebody in the classifieds is trying to sell a Jet TUBULAR, basically the stinger 5 with an aluminum brake track.
i could not find it on the the hedcycling website - any more info?
I am actually the one selling the HED Jet 5s, and I can point you to some information from HED. Simply put, Jets come in both tubular and clincher, whereas Stingers come in only tubular.
http://hedcycling.com/tech.asp
Quote from HED TechSpecs link on website:
FAQ:Q. Dear Mr. Hedtech, please explain the difference between Stingers and Jets. Can I train on them?
A. Stingers are tubular only, and jets can be ordered tubular or clincher. This may be all the information you need to make up your mind.
Beyond that, the wheels have different construction: Stingers are bladder molded in one step. They have a carbon brake surface. Jets are made in two steps. The carbon aero section is molded first. The second step is bonding it to the alloy substrate.
Either wheelset will stand up to hard training and racing, but I would give the edge to the Jet. On a 1-10 scale Jets are 10, equal to a hand built 32 hole traditional wheelset. Stingers would be a 9. I have commuted extensively and cyclocrossed on them without issue.
I’m excited about the new, deeper version that’s coming out - the Jet 7 Express. It was at interbike. Did anyone catch what the depth and weight of this new model is?