http://www.velonews.com/race/dom/articles/13197.0.html
click on the Pic of Tyler Hamilton and check out his cleat position. Is that the Joe Friel method?
Friel is a late comer to midfoot cleat positioning. Do a web search for Goetz Heine and his shoes for more.
This was discussed on ST awhile back. Has anybody on the forum tried this yet?
cyclingnews.com has some in the form and fitness section.
This was discussed on ST awhile back. Has anybody on the forum tried this yet?
Apparently is not as good as a blood transfusion.
Funny you should ask. I just wrote up my experiment with it in the BTR forum:
http://biketechreview.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1815
my bottom line being that it appeared to help for the road position but actually made things worse in a TT position. Lots of variables though, .e.g how much do you move the seat down and forward.
– jens
Jens,
Did you move your saddle forward to compensate for the cleat/ If not, might the the relatively more rearward saddle position have been the thing that compromised your power?
Jens,
Did you move your saddle forward to compensate for the cleat/ If not, might the the relatively more rearward saddle position have been the thing that compromised your power?
Good point. Yes, that’s possible. On the TT bike, I only went forward 1cm. Some tri-folks might want to try it with the seat slid forward. It’s not much use to me, since I’m at the UCI limit already.
I need to measure the road bike, but the saddle probably ended up a little more forward, because of the angled seat-tube.
-jens
What about an Adamo ISM? Would that solve the nose problem?
Cleat position has probably been thoroughly researched since they were first invented and I believe the normal position is the ideal position. The correct time for cleat experiment was before the changeover to clipless pedals and then it was how you used them and not where you put them that needed to be experimented with.
What about an Adamo ISM? Would that solve the nose problem?
I already use that. I’m one of those unfortunate cyclists that needs a very far forward position to begin with.
-jens
2 questions
- How do you like the Adamo
- Have you considered this
http://blackwellresearch.com/p_seats.htm
scroll to the bottom
2 questions
- How do you like the Adamo
- Have you considered this
http://blackwellresearch.com/p_seats.htm
scroll to the bottom
I like it just fine. My only complaint – also observed by Slowman – is that the prongs are too far apart. I’ll probably try to zip-tie them together sometime. The other saddle looks even wider to me.
-jens
yes, but a shorter nose. 
The MTB saddle is shorter than the tri/TT saddle.
well my buddy have this now also on his road and time trail bike
i must say does not like it at all ,my guess is that you cannot generate as much power as on the toe position
after all you shorten you leg lever
intersting would be a test with oxygen up take and the 360 degree power and force distribution
my guess it only worse your performance
cees
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after all you shorten you leg lever
The length of the “bottom” lever in a system of linked arms doesn’t alter the power generating capabilities of the system. The length of the final lever is used to fine-tune the force-velocity tradeoff, not to increase or decrease power, per se. Our foot length has (presumably) evolved to make us good walkers and runners. There’s no reason to suspect that our foot length is ideal for turning bike cranks. Having the pedal under the ball of the foot certainly feels right, but probably only because that’s what we’re used to. I see no reason that there might not be another cleat position that is more optimal for riding a bike.
I ride with my cleats as far back as the standard holes allow. As Jens noted, it can have the same effect on thigh-torso angle as moving the saddle backwards by the same amount the cleats are moved back. Anyone experimenting with it needs to move the saddle forward about the same amount the cleats are moved back in order to keep the rest of the joint angles the same.
I can’t say I’ve noticed any big difference with the cleats like this. I do it anyway, just in case it actually reduces the load on the calves (which, from a mechanical point of view, it ought to). My conjecture is that a reduced load on the calves might help my running.
same here, moved my cleats back as far as possible and like it. of course i have size 13 feet too, so maybe that’s part of the reason? i also have a relatively shorter torso, so maybe it also feels better because i like being way forward anyway? feels a lot more ‘stable’ to me, like there’s a more direct power transfer. bad part is toe overlap definitely can be an issue. just my 2c
well i do not fully agree with you
even my lifimodular calc stated other wise not thats the ultimate thing but ,basicly if there is more muscle involved to distribute the same load
the more muscle involved the lower the force on each muscle fiber so lower the fatigue basicly
but said that it would be very intersting to put a ogygen test the same with 360 force distibution
i bet that the longer the lever(so more mucle involved the better it is) and for running also we run better is we use the whole foot includung our toes
for me its the same with cycling
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i think there is a pretty good argument to be made for “no feet at all” being te best solution for turning bike cranks. ye old pedal spindle through the ankle bone setup … a tad painful, but removes all that pesky foot flexing from the equation. not terribly nice effects on thigh-torso angle, but just push that saddle back, way back 
ceveloguy,
Andy Pruitt, Director of the Boulder Sports Medicine Center and one of the recognized medical authorities on cycling biomechanics, injuries and treatment and posiitioning on the bike as well as an avid recreational cyclist and accomplished bicycle racer has said that in his judgement, the only reason to try this cleat position is if ones present cleat position is causing issues (not just performance issues). In his experience it causes more problems than it solves!
FWIW.