Haditha Marine Cleared

How interesting. So far, at least two of the so-called “cold-blooded killers” or men who “went off the reservation” (to quote a denizen of this forum) has been cleared in the Haditha “massacre.” My educated guess is that most, if not all, will find themselves gaining the same resolution in the not-too-distant future:

http://www.breitbart.com/...1&show_article=1

Officer Advises Against Trial for Marine


Jul 11 08:25 AM US/Eastern
By THOMAS WATKINS
Associated Press Writer

SAN DIEGO (AP) - The government’s case against a Marine accused of fatally shooting Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha lacks sufficient evidence to go to a court-martial and should be dropped, a hearing officer determined.
The murder charges were brought against Lance Cpl. Justin L. Sharratt for killing three Iraqi brothers in November 2005.

The hearing officer, Lt. Col. Paul Ware, wrote in a report released by the defense Tuesday that those charges were based on unreliable witness accounts, insupportable forensic evidence and questionable legal theories. He also wrote that the case could have dangerous consequences on the battlefield, where soldiers might hesitate during critical moments when facing an enemy.
“The government version is unsupported by independent evidence,” Ware wrote in the 18-page report. “To believe the government version of facts is to disregard clear and convincing evidence to the contrary.”
Prosecutors allege Sharratt and other members of his battalion carried out a revenge-motivated assault on Iraqi civilians that left 24 dead after a roadside bomb killed a fellow Marine nearby.
Sharratt contends the Iraqi men he confronted were insurgents and at least one was holding an AK-47 rifle when he fired at them.

In addition to Sharratt, two other enlisted men are charged with murder and four officers are accused of failing to investigate the incident—the largest single Iraqi civilian death case of the war. Sharratt’s case is the first among the three charged with murder to go to a hearing known as an Article 32 investigation, the military equivalent of a grand jury.
“Whether this was a brave act of combat against the enemy or tragedy of misperception born out of conducting combat with an enemy that hides among innocents, Lance Corporal Sharratt’s actions were in accord with the rules of engagement and use of force,” Ware wrote.
He said further prosecution of Sharratt could set a “dangerous precedent that … may encourage others to bear false witness against Marines as a tactic to erode public support of the Marine Corps and its mission in Iraq.”
“Even more dangerous is the potential that a Marine may hesitate at the critical moment when facing the enemy,” he said.

The recommendation to drop the murder charge is nonbinding. A final decision about whether Sharratt should stand trial will be made by Lt. Gen. James Mattis, the commanding general overseeing the case.
Prosecutors at Sharratt’s preliminary hearing introduced several accounts from Iraqis that said Sharratt had separated four men from a group of women and children and ordered them into a house. There, prosecutors said, he shot three of them and when he ran out of bullets the squad leader Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich allegedly shot the fourth.
Ware deemed the witness accounts and testimony given by other Marines unreliable.

At home in Canonsburg, Pa., Sharratt’s family said the news was huge.

“That report is a declaration of Justin’s innocence,” said Sharratt’s mother, Theresa. “This is very, very good news.”

Defense attorneys James Culp and Gary Myers said in a statement that the report “reflected the value of the calm of a courtroom and the adversarial process.”

This is the second time an investigating officer has recommended charges not continue to trial in connection with the Haditha killings. In the case of Marine lawyer Capt. Randy W. Stone, the investigating officer recommended Stone’s dereliction of duty charge be dealt with administratively.

No reasonable person would want an innocent soldier charged or convicted of any crime. Likewise, 24 men, women, and children, were killed in Haditha and we have to know why. Shouldn’t we?

I am pretty sure this can’t be true, big kahuna. John Murtha has already told us these guys are guilty.

"Likewise, 24 men, women, and children, were killed in Haditha and we have to know why. Shouldn’t we? "

Yes, we should, but I think your bolding of “women” and “children” assumes a generally Western idea that these people are, by definition, innocents, which is certainly not true in the context of the combat operations we’re engaged in right now.

Ackowledged. However, since 6 of the dead were under the age of 11, I would argue they weren’t involved in an armed capacity.

were killed in Haditha and we have to know why. Shouldn’t we?
NO. If you want to know what is going on, get your ass over there and fight. The army is taking members right now. Otherwise you do not NEED to know.

"Otherwise you do not NEED to know. "

If these marines are guilty of war crimes (and I don’t know if they are/aren’t), every Iraqui and American citizen has a right to know.

 NO. If you want to know what is going on, get your ass over there and fight. The army is taking members right now. Otherwise you do not NEED to know.

I honestly can’t tell if that’s sarcastic or not.

Yes, I should have said that John Murtha and 60 Minutes both have pronounced Lance Corporal Sharratt guilty, so clearly he must be guilty and this investigation is an obvious whitewash.

Ken, I know you are trying to protect the troops here, but we know they are guilty and the Marines who investigated are guilty.

I know this because I have it directly from John Murtha:

“There’s no question in my mind about what happened here. There was no gunfire. They killed four people in a taxi and then in addition to that, they went into the rooms and killed them.”

“The Commandant of the Marine Corps was in my office just last week, so you know, I know there was a cover-up someplace. They knew about this a few days afterwards and there’s no question the chain of command tried to stifle the story. I can understand why, but that doesn’t excuse it. Something like this has to be brought out to the public, and the people have to be punished.”

Fortunately, we don’t have a problem with undue command pressure to find these troops guilty. The Commandant of the Marines and the Chairman of the Military Appropriations Subcommittee are just innocent bystanders here.

Too late. The damage has already been done. Even if Sharratt is not convicted (doesn’t mean he wasn’t guilty, just that not enough evidence is available), somebody will be convicted of killing innocents in Haditha and then this post will fade into obscurity.

Ackowledged. However, since 6 of the dead were under the age of 11, I would argue they weren’t involved in an armed capacity.

On what basis would you argue that? Many children younger than 11 are involved in wars throughout the world. Why would this not be the case in Iraq?

"Many children younger than 11 are involved in wars throughout the world. "

Is that the defense argument?

Is that the defense argument?

Don’t ask me. I’m not involved in this. I’m just questiong why one would make the assumption that because the victims were young that they were also unarmed.

Yes, I should have said that John Murtha and 60 Minutes both have pronounced Lance Corporal Sharratt guilty, so clearly he must be guilty and this investigation is an obvious whitewash.

Maybe he had a biased jury.

Among the dead are 3, 4, 5 and 8 year old boys and girls. Yes, I would argue they weren’t involved in armed conflict based, if nothing else, on the inability to manage firearms. If you have evidence to the contrary, specific to the Iraq insurgency, please present it.

I think it’s fair to say that the majority of children involved in wars are so mostly as victims, not as combatants.

The scenerio of a group of Iraqui toddlers with AK-47’s waiting in ambush for these marines seems highly unlikely.

When you posted under 11 I looked at it as 10 year olds. 3, 4, 5, and 8 are probably pretty safe assumptions.

I think it’s fair to say that the majority of children involved in wars are so mostly as victims, not as combatants.

I don’t think that I would disagree with this. In many wars the majority of victims are not combatants. That wasn’t what I questioned though.
The scenerio of a group of Iraqui toddlers with AK-47’s waiting in ambush for these marines seems highly unlikely.

Toddlers yes, 10 year olds not so much.

I would argue that it’s entirely possible that the 4, 5 and 8 year old could be involved in hostilities, if only because there are areas over there where parents will give their small children hand grenades, or the like. The 4 and 5 year olds would be stretching it, but not the 8 year old, by any means.