Does this seem weird to anyone else…a fund for floyd’s legal expenses? He can’t afford a legal defense?
$35 for an autograph and a Q&A Town Hall? I guess I’m just not convinced he is innocent.
Did you go to the town hall?
I’m convinced he’s innocent - - I was shocked that the lab uses such an old piece of equipment that the software is no longer supported. That was one of a few details I had been unaware of before attending the town hall
I can only imagine the legal expenses are huge and ongoing - - so no, I don’t think it is odd that he needs to fund raise to defend himself and also take the opportunity to educate people about what is going on. The information sharing and the fact that he is the first professional athlete to opt for an open hearing further convinces me that he is innocent.
I hope he does great at Leadville. I’m still a fan.
yeah, and that software has put all that ugly stuff in his blood. no wait, it’s natural, I forgot! you need a lot of money,when you change your defence strategy all the time lol
Try looking at this and then see if you think he is innocent or guilty.
http://www.floydfairnessfund.org/resources/Wiki%20Denfense%20Slide.pdf
IMO the French labs have just got it in for the Americans. If floyd wins his case (and I think he will) then it will be interesting to see the subsequent liability implications on the French Lab.
This subject is like talking politics and religion, everybody has there opinion and will battle it out with anybody who is not of the same mind set as them. I believe in innocent untill proven quilty and unfortunatly the majority of the cycling community does not. This lab in question has had over 12 test overtuned for many reasons in the past 3 years alot of it was breaking of protocol. The problem is that the testing is not the best but the one that WADA and the UCI bought into and is sticking by it. I wish there was a lemon law for these types of test.
As a retired competitive cyclist I am glad to no longer have to put my trust in a system where my sample could have been miss handled and then had a cloud of doubt placed over me. Alot of cycist fear this. I do not think that the French lab or any other labs are out to get any one rider or nationality, its just that thier testing protocols are flawed and always have been but they are standing by them all the way as this ship sinks.
Again I will what for the final verdict on Landis, it is funny how a rider can have a dominate year, be tested at every one of the races that he won multiple times, including 2 test (negative) before his positive test then one test (negative) after the positive test and so many people think that the positive test can not be wrong. I would probably believe that as well if there had not been so many documented cases of positive test being wrong.
I’m not sure either way, but I am convinced that UCI/WADA etc know he may be barking up the ight tree, an know his funds are running low, and are delaying on purpose.
On the other hand, what about pro bono? (no the guy from U2)
it is funny how a rider can have a dominate year, be tested at every one of the races that he won multiple times, including 2 test (negative) before his positive test then one test (negative) after the positive test and so many people think that the positive test can not be wrong.
See Ben Johnson prior to 1984 - 1988 as a good example of how someone can have a dominant few years years, be tested at every one of the races that he won multiple times, and was on drugs.
And this was almost 20 years ago so to think it could not happen again is naive.
Well in America you are innocent until proven Guilty. But to be proven guilty the process has to be done by following all the rules. If the correct process is not followed, machines not maintained, chain of possession not documented ect… the excused is found innocent.
And it really seems to me that not only was/is the process broken it has been pointed out numerous times in the past, potentially guilty parties have been released because the process was not followed, and they have yet to fix it. The only thing I know for sure is the authorities in this case are incompetent and because of that the truth about cyclist will continue to have doubts cast on it, until they fix and follow their own procedures.
I’m not convinced of his guilt or innocence, but have you ever been to a hospital or medical research center? We have equipment running on NT4 and Digital unix - works perfectly, the same as when it was bought.
I’ve heard of one lab that recently (6 months ago) retired their EM that was running a pdp something (11?)…
I’m convinced he’s innocent - - I was shocked that the lab uses such an old piece of equipment that the software is no longer supported. That was one of a few details I had been unaware of before attending the town hall
Well in America you are innocent until proven .
I’m guessing you aren’t a lawyer as I know a lot of them that would get a good chuckle from that line. It is a nice theory though.
As for Landis, most people would ask for free money if they knew they would get it.
Well in America you are innocent until proven .
I’m guessing you aren’t a lawyer as I know a lot of them that would get a good chuckle from that line. It is a nice theory though.
As for Landis, most people would ask for free money if they knew they would get it.
Yes the practical implementation of this is flawed but the theory does enforce the proper following of procedures. Ask your Lawyer friends thats the easiest way to win the case, get it thrown out for lack of proper procedure, chain of evidence, maranda rights or other “technicalities”
The “French” those little boogers. They are jealous that he’s over 5’
Fran–swaaaaaaaa what ya think???
Yes the practical implementation of this is flawed but the theory does enforce the proper following of procedures. Ask your Lawyer friends thats the easiest way to win the case, get it thrown out for lack of proper procedure, chain of evidence, maranda rights or other “technicalities”
They are all corporate lawyers (I’ve been a technical consultant for them) and the last thing they want to do is go to trial if it is a case brought by a civilian. Settle settle settle. Remember Erin Brockovich – no trial. But going to trial is also the last thing a judge wants to do and judges will do things to make you question the innocence before guilt idea in order to force a settlement.
yeah, and that software has put all that ugly stuff in his blood. no wait, it’s natural, I forgot! you need a lot of money,when you change your defence strategy all the time lol
no wait, it’s Urine, you forgot!
Great to see you’re paying attention.
Do you moonlight at the WADA lab? ROTFL
I’m not convinced of his guilt or innocence, but have you ever been to a hospital or medical research center? We have equipment running on NT4 and Digital unix - works perfectly, the same as when it was bought.
We have equipment running on NT4 … works perfectly You wouldn’t mind if I submit this wonderfully ripe quote to various IT trade magazines?
Innocent until proven guilty only applies to criminal proceedings. Outside of the criminal court, other thresholds of guilt and innocence can and do exist.
Innocent until proven guilty only applies to criminal proceedings. Outside of the criminal court, other thresholds of guilt and innocence can and do exist.
Of course that is true. However, does not change the fact the process must be above reproach.
That is where most people argue on this case, how can we determine his guilt or innocence if they did not follow their own procedure for determining it.
What would people say if after the day of racing , the officials announced, we decided todays stage will not be included in the overall results because the sky was blue today.
There are rules and procedures for a reason and if they cant bother to follow them, then there results should be thrown out.
**What would people say if after the day of racing , the officials announced, we decided todays stage will not be included in the overall results because the sky was blue today. **
Umm, you do realize we are talking about professional bike racing right? Have you ever read the history of drug use in the sport?
What would people say if after the day of racing , the officials announced, we decided todays stage will not be included in the overall results because the sky was blue today.
It already happened in the Tour of California.
Yes, I am aware of the history.
It only goes to strengthen my argument. If you know you have a problem, you need IRONCLAD rules and procedures that everyone agrees to play under. Any infraction and thats it. The Problem is they did not follow there own procedures so they threw the monkey wrench in the system. If they would have followed proper chain of custody and testing procedures we would not be having this debate.
They have had to throw out something like 12 other positive results in the past year or so for not following there own procedures, what is there problem. Seems pretty simple, to me, figure out why your people can not/ are not following the protocols and fix it then go after the cheaters.