Fireworks at Cipressa last Weekend

Very exciting Milan - San Remo on Saturday with MvdP beating Ganna and Pogaçar to the finish line.

However, my comment is regarding power numbers that not long ago were hard to believe. Quoting this tweet:
https://x.com/VelonCC/status/1903487785102622826

"Tadej Pogačar launched a fierce attack on the Cipressa to break the race, with only Van der Poel, Ganna and Grégoire able to follow.

  • Avg speed: 38.6km/h
  • Max speed: 47.7km/h
  • Avg power: 630w
  • Max power: 970w
  • Avg gradient: 4.2%"

That is 9.69 W/Kg for 61 seconds after “only” 270 kms approximately and it wasn’t the ony attack. They also beat Pantani’s record by like 30 seconds during the climb. Thoughts?

Well for starters they rode the climb together, their bikes are much lighter, much more aero, their wheels are more aero, their rolling resistance is much lower, and they were in an all out dogfight for that win. Other than that exactly the same as Pentane’s climb decades ago…

Oh ya, Pantini was doped to the gills, so not sure how that compares to decades of training advancements, nutrition, etc, that has evolved to today. Is there anything I missed??

The Earth was cooler then? /p
Actually, that would be advantage to Pantani

All but this, yes. Pantani’s bike was just over the UCI limit that went into effect the following season, IIRC. Pogacar’s new Colnago is apparently closer to 7.5 kilos.

The UCI introduced the 6.8kg weight limit in 2000. Prior to that there was no weight limit. So I very much doubt Pogaçar’s bike weighs less than Pantani’s. Actually somebody made a comparison, and when Pogaçar beat Pantani’s Plateau de Belle record last year, Road.cc made this comparison Comparing the Tour de France bikes that won on the Plateau de Beille in 1998 and 2024: Marco Pantani's Bianchi Mega Pro XL vs Tadej Pogačar's Colnago V4Rs | road.cc and apparently Pogaçar’s bike is actually half a kg heavier.

Yes, rolling resistance and aero are much better today, but my question is more about the power numbers.

I think if you want to compare apples and apples on human physiology advancements (the brute power to weight numbers), compare running track times improvements over the 400m over that rough duration over the last bunch of years may shed some light on how much training improvements could have helped (or not)

Top three times in the world record progression are from

43.29 Butch Reynolds 1988
43.18 Michael Johnson 1999
43.03 Wade Van Niekerk 2016

Roughly equivalent power to weight ratios for all these guys to go to those times over 37 years. I don’t know Pantani’s power to weight was, but Cipressa, is not a pure power to weight game as it’s not steep enough. Aero and rolling resistance has to explain the difference if it’s not modern pharma becuase you would think in track they can get the same modern pharma access.

I guess between rolling resistance and aero particularly clothing, i wouldn’t be too surprised to find pantani did similar, if not more power than pog. Dude was wearing a parachute