Federal gas tax, WTF

isn’t it best to leave the money to the people earning it, to the people who are trying to make it in these difficult times?

a lower gas price is one thing going for us in this shitty economy. it maddens me to think about politicians taxing gas MORE so they can hurt everybody’s wallet, only to push their pork agenda.

now the car manufacturers are on board with the tax, for thier own agendas, so the price of gas will go up so much that their expensive (and underperforming) electric cars will be more attractive in the marketplace.

none of this makes sense. proponents of the gas tax say the low price will enable the overall price of gas t ocontinue to be low. what they fail to take into account is that the price of oil is fluid–it can go up, it can go down. it was only a short while ago prices were pushing or cresting the 4 dollar mark in the midwest.

proponets of the gas tax also say that Obama’s $40.00 tax cut to families will help with the additional cost. Sorry, but 40 bucks isn’t going to make up for a gas price hike, that line of thinking is absolutely insane to me.

funny to give a family a tax break, then yank those funds right back out of their wallet for gas tax. WTF!!!

here is a list of federal tax on gas per state:
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

they should tax gas until its $10 a gallon. thats its true cost when you factor in what its going to cost to clean the planet up after we finally realize that trashing it all these years was not a good idea.

no more cheap gas.

that’s so stupid.

in 10 years people are going to realize that Al Gore’s environmental movement was the worst thing to ever happen to our country.

“in 10 years people are going to realize that Al Gore’s environmental movement was the worst thing to ever happen to our country.”

I don’t think so…

bad news for you kitty. you ain’t seen nothing yet!

yes, that’s what i’m terrified of.

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April 30, 2008 Op-Ed Columnist Dumb as We Wanna Be By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
It is great to see that we finally have some national unity on energy policy. Unfortunately, the unifying idea is so ridiculous, so unworthy of the people aspiring to lead our nation, it takes your breath away. Hillary Clinton has decided to line up with John McCain in pushing to suspend the federal excise tax on gasoline, 18.4 cents a gallon, for this summer’s travel season. This is not an energy policy. This is money laundering: we borrow money from China and ship it to Saudi Arabia and take a little cut for ourselves as it goes through our gas tanks. What a way to build our country.
When the summer is over, we will have increased our debt to China, increased our transfer of wealth to Saudi Arabia and increased our contribution to global warming for our kids to inherit.
No, no, no, we’ll just get the money by taxing Big Oil, says Mrs. Clinton. Even if you could do that, what a terrible way to spend precious tax dollars — burning it up on the way to the beach rather than on innovation?
The McCain-Clinton gas holiday proposal is a perfect example of what energy expert Peter Schwartz of Global Business Network describes as the true American energy policy today: “Maximize demand, minimize supply and buy the rest from the people who hate us the most.”
Good for Barack Obama for resisting this shameful pandering.
But here’s what’s scary: our problem is so much worse than you think. We have no energy strategy. If you are going to use tax policy to shape energy strategy then you want to raise taxes on the things you want to discourage — gasoline consumption and gas-guzzling cars — and you want to lower taxes on the things you want to encourage — new, renewable energy technologies. We are doing just the opposite.
Are you sitting down?
Few Americans know it, but for almost a year now, Congress has been bickering over whether and how to renew the investment tax credit to stimulate investment in solar energy and the production tax credit to encourage investment in wind energy. The bickering has been so poisonous that when Congress passed the 2007 energy bill last December, it failed to extend any stimulus for wind and solar energy production. Oil and gas kept all their credits, but those for wind and solar have been left to expire this December. I am not making this up. At a time when we should be throwing everything into clean power innovation, we are squabbling over pennies.
These credits are critical because they ensure that if oil prices slip back down again — which often happens — investments in wind and solar would still be profitable. That’s how you launch a new energy technology and help it achieve scale, so it can compete without subsidies.
The Democrats wanted the wind and solar credits to be paid for by taking away tax credits from the oil industry. President Bush said he would veto that. Neither side would back down, and Mr. Bush — showing not one iota of leadership — refused to get all the adults together in a room and work out a compromise. Stalemate. Meanwhile, Germany has a 20-year solar incentive program; Japan 12 years. Ours, at best, run two years.
“It’s a disaster,” says Michael Polsky, founder of Invenergy, one of the biggest wind-power developers in America. “Wind is a very capital-intensive industry, and financial institutions are not ready to take ‘Congressional risk.’ They say if you don’t get the we will not lend you the money to buy more turbines and build projects.”
It is also alarming, says Rhone Resch, the president of the Solar Energy Industries Association, that the U.S. has reached a point “where the priorities of Congress could become so distorted by politics” that it would turn its back on the next great global industry — clean power — “but that’s exactly what is happening.” If the wind and solar credits expire, said Resch, the impact in just 2009 would be more than 100,000 jobs either lost or not created in these industries, and $20 billion worth of investments that won’t be made.
While all the presidential candidates were railing about lost manufacturing jobs in Ohio, no one noticed that America’s premier solar company, First Solar, from Toledo, Ohio, was opening its newest factory in the former East Germany — 540 high-paying engineering jobs — because Germany has created a booming solar market and America has not.
In 1997, said Resch, America was the leader in solar energy technology, with 40 percent of global solar production. “Last year, we were less than 8 percent, and even most of that was manufacturing for overseas markets.”
The McCain-Clinton proposal is a reminder to me that the biggest energy crisis we have in our country today is the energy to be serious — the energy to do big things in a sustained, focused and intelligent way. We are in the midst of a national political brownout.

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September 21, 2005Bush’s Waterlogged Halo By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Following President Bush’s speech in New Orleans, many U.S. papers carried the same basic headline: “Bush Rules Out Raising Taxes for Gulf Relief.” The president is planning to rely on “spending cuts” instead to pay for rebuilding New Orleans. Yeah, right - and if you believe that, I have some beachfront property in Biloxi I’d like to sell you. The underlying message of all these stories is that the Bush team sees no reason to change course in response to Katrina.
I beg to differ. Katrina deprived the Bush team of the energy source that propelled it forward for the last four years: 9/11 and the halo over the presidency that came with it. The events of 9/11 created a deference in the U.S. public, and media, for the administration, which exploited it to the hilt to push an uncompassionate conservative agenda on tax cuts and runaway spending, on which it never could have gotten elected. That deference is over.
If Mr. Bush wants to make anything of his second term, he’ll have to do his own Nixon-to-China turnaround, reframe the debate and recast the priorities of his presidency. He seems to think that by offering to spend billions of dollars to rebuild one city, New Orleans, he’ll get his leadership halo back. Wrong. Just throwing more borrowed money at New Orleans is not leadership. Mr. Bush needs to frame a new agenda for rebuilding all our cities and strengthening the nation as a whole. And what should be the centerpiece of a policy of American renewal is blindingly obvious: making a quest for energy independence the moon shot of our generation.
The president should have done that on the morning of Sept. 12, 2001. The country was ready. But the president whiffed. Katrina - nature’s 9/11 - has given him a rare do-over. Imagine - I know it is a stretch - that the president announced tomorrow that he wanted an immediate 50-cents-a-gallon gasoline tax - the “American Renewal Tax,” to be used to rebuild New Orleans, pay down the deficit, fund tax breaks for Americans to convert their cars to hybrid technology or biofuels, fund a Manhattan Project to develop alternatives for energy independence, and subsidize mass transit systems for our major cities.
And imagine if he tied this to an appeal to young people to go into science, math and engineering for the great national purpose of making us the greenest nation on the planet, to help liberate us from dependence on the worst regimes in the world for our oil and to help ease the global warming that is heating up the oceans, making our hurricanes more intense and our lowlands more vulnerable. America’s kids are hungry to be challenged for some larger purpose, which has been utterly absent in this presidency.
Americans will change their long-term energy habits, and companies will develop green products, only if they are certain the price of gasoline will not go back down. A gasoline tax (Americans have already shown they’ll tolerate higher prices) and stronger regulation would force U.S. companies to innovate in what is going to be one of the most important global industries in the 21st century: green technologies. By coddling our auto and industrial companies when it comes to mileage standards and the environment, all the Bush team is doing is ensuring that they will be dinosaurs and that Chinese, Japanese and Indian companies will take the lead in green technologies - because they have to and ours don’t.
Look what Jeff Immelt, the C.E.O. of G.E., said: “America should strive to make energy and environmental practices a national core competency and by doing so, create exports in jobs. … America is the leading consumer of energy. However, we are not the technical leader. Europe today is the major force for environmental innovation. European governments have encouraged their companies to invest and produce clean power technologies. The same is true for nuclear power. … And government policy that encourages this with subsidies and other incentives is giving European companies a leg up. While Europe has been a driver for innovation, China promises to be its market.”
Setting the goal of energy independence, along with a gasoline tax, could help to solve so many of our problems today - from the deficit to climate change and national security. And Americans would pay it if they thought the extra money was going to renew America, not Iran, and not just New Orleans. And if the Texas-oilman president became the energy-independence president - now, that would snap heads and make this a truly relevant presidency.
No way, you say. Probably right. But either Mr. Bush does a Nixon-to-China or his next three years are going to be a Bush-to-Nowhere.

kittycat,

At least you do not live in Michigan. Here we are fortunate to have the Federal Gas Tax, the Michigan Gas Tax, AND the 6% Michigan Sales Tax that also taxes the the previously mentioned taxes. Then, we only get 80 cents on the dollar sent back to the State from the Feds in road and project money.

Bernie

KC, can you imagine those duchebags raising taxes on fuel in the midst of this economy? How about an income tax and corporate tax increase for good measure.

Exactly!

Haim

KC, can you imagine those duchebags raising taxes on fuel in the midst of this economy? How about an income tax and corporate tax increase for good measure.

oh, i think it’s coming. i’ve been getting my ass handed to me for a few years now–working hard for what feels like nothing. i’m to the point where i am about to go looking for a cushy government job. i’m about to say “screw this self employment”. at least if i got a job somewhere someone else would have to pick up the fica and i could get health care benfits. why am i always killing myself for nothing. it used to mean something, now i think the joke is on me.

It doesn’t really matter to me. I cut my driving down to what is necessary, combining trips, carpooling, and even walking to the store. I replaced my efficient car with an even more efficient car. Let the government or OPEC or whoever do what they will to gas prices, I refuse to let it be a major factor in my life.

Federal Gas Tax - Thank you Comrade Obama.

LD

Seems like the thing to do sometimes. It crosses my mind about every day. But you and me have been free too long to go sit in some cube farm and work for the man. We’d go postal and hurt someone. So I’m going to pat you on the butt and send you back in the game for another quarter. LONG LIVE FREE ENTERPRISE AND SMALL BUSINESS, THE BACKBONE OF THIS GREAT NATION AND F THE RULING CLASS OF TYRANTS WHO MAKE IT MISERABLE FOR THEM EVERY DAY. AMEN.

It doesn’t really matter to me. I cut my driving down to what is necessary, combining trips, carpooling, and even walking to the store. I replaced my efficient car with an even more efficient car. Let the government or OPEC or whoever do what they will to gas prices, I refuse to let it be a major factor in my life.

LMAO! so you think because you don’t drive and have a “more effecient car” that it won’t impact you?!

it will be an MAJOR factor in EVERYONE’S LIFE regardless if they drive or not. higher fuel prices impact the prices of everything; to say you are removed is absolutely wishful thinking.

Umm, what will you say when the already aging road system in America becomes undrivable. Americans are driving less and finally buying more efficient cars so fuel tax revenues are way down. Gas and diesel taxes pay for the roads and bridges in this country. Come to Wisconsin where gas taxes (fed and state) are in the top 5 highest in the country. But compared to Illinois, our roads are in better shape, I 90/94 isn’t under constant construction, and we don’t charge every driver $10-$15 to drive across our state. peter286 has it right.

It’s always astounding to see how ill informed you are about anything involving taxes or government. Taxes don’t always mean pork, I suggest you look into what gas taxes actually pay for.

no, it’s not right. when you consider all of the taxes we pay–gas tax, federal income tax, state tax, sale tax, capital gains tax, property tax, etc etc etc, we are already paying considerable amounts of taxes.

the one area where there is a little relief (lower gas prices), they don’t want us to have that relief, rather they see it as another opportunity to gauge the working person.

the government was established to provide things like roads and protection. if it was really doing its job the roads would have been taken care of a long time ago. isn’t this a huge sign to you that something is wrong and taxes are not the answer?!

Since you deleted your response to me while I was trying to write back, should I assume you realized exactly what gas taxes actually pay for?