But that has been some of the argument in this thread: i.e. …
I tried working out in the past and didn’t lose weight.
I’m now losing weight with this “magic” drug.
So I’m going to keep doing this drug, and I don’t need to exercise, change diet, get counseling, or any other efforts that can address the issue, etc.
The drug is all I need.
And as been pointed out:
What happens if you stop the drug (for various reasons) and haven’t done any of the other stuff to address the issue?
I don’t remember anyone making that argument
It’s a simplification. But Yeeper’s been calling out for a comprehensive approach vs. “a quick fix”. And seemingly he’s been a minority voice.
Echo the sentiment here. I was getting slower and gaining fat for the first time in my life despite exercise and good diet. Got the diagnosis, started Cab, and am now on the opposite side of this thread and very much struggling to stop losing weight. If they made a pill that increased appetite instead of decreasing it, I’d take it. At least short term.
The changes have have been eye opening for how much weight and weight composition can vary in the ability to control.
Nobody is arguing against a comprehensive approach.
That is how you are coming off.
Yes. My list looks more like yours.
I would like to know who all of these people are who do this. Because on all of the GLP1 forums, it’s widely reported that if you eat crap or eat too much, drink too much or eat a lot of processed/fatty foods, you will be puking or shitting your pants.
That is a side effect and like any of the reported side effects on any medication, it will not be experienced by all.
No, he’s not. In his first reply to you and Thom he was very polite and straightforward. He asked a simple question and at the very bottom of his reply he finished by acknowledging HE HIMSELF struggled with the very thing he asked you about. But you bit his head off.
I also replied and offered my own example from my own life and admitted some pretty difficult things from my personal life and that I was seeing multiple therapists to help me. That was MY way of supporting MY argument just as you were supporting yours. And you bit my head off with “you don’t know shit.”
I understand that this topic is very difficult and can trigger a lot of emotions. But that really only reinforces the idea that a large part of this is emotional and often needs to be addressed from the neck up as well.
No one was attacking you or your journey. And as I said before, just because SOME might take a different avenue than you doesn’t invalidate yours.
I don’t believe I was addressing you and I don’t believe I need for you to validate or invalidate my feelings.
My question to you is, do you always need to have the last word?
You seem to be conflating what youd like to happen with the realities of dealing with a public health crisis
Sure, every public health phsysician would like people to eat bettwr, to exercise and this would inevitability improve outcomes, reduce cardiac issues, oncology and long term health issues
Expecting people to do it without support whilst ideal is a pipe dream, the US as a rule doesnt have a preventative public health system so if we can improve outcomes in spite of the system rather than through it
We’d still be here in 5 years arguing that someone needs to lose 100kg as opposed to them losing it and being all offended about how because it wasnt the ideal way
I don’t think it was any sort of conscious decision. People just went from eating meals that took someone’s time to prepare at set times of the day to essentially being able to eat whenever, all the while food companies were making more and more convenient and tasty options.
Me having the last word would be something glancing or snarky, or “gif of something mocking,” or “personal insult.”
But I don’t do that. I try very hard to always offer something of substance and respectfully. But you have had an issue with me in many prolonged threads for years.
This is a discussion forum and you’re a mod. Why you have a problem with someone continuing the discussion, one that is very much still ongoing, is beyond me.
It doesn’t matter that you didn’t address that specific reply to me, because you did reply to me with a certain attitude as well and I didn’t say anything yesterday about it.
If you read above, a couple of posters were advocating for giving the drug to patients who will not make any changes on their own re diet and exercise.
Others have given examples of individuals who take the drug so that they don’t have to make any changes on their own.
Have you been reading the discussion?
He wasn’t replying to her at all, he was replying to me, and he dismissed people on the drug as “taking the easy way out,” so I asked him if he thought they should be required to wear dunce caps.
The other point that Kathy keeps bringing up that people are ignoring is that when on the drug you eat less.
That is literally what the drug does. It makes you want to eat less. So many people here have argued, “you need to eat less,” and when they see that there’s a drug that literally causes you to eat less, they appear to be bothered by the fact that a person does it without using their own will power.
That is honestly baffling and disappointing to hear, and could not be further from how I feel I’m approaching this discussion, particularly with you.
Zero people are confused or ignoring the fact that it causes people to eat less.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, other than being 25 pounds overweight and not shedding it for several years.
But (and everything before the but is not bullshit this time), watching this discussion has felt a lot like discussing IM finishes and people who finished in 10 hours complaining that the cutoff should be lower because a 16:45 finish is getting all the credit of doing an IM.
