Between Dec 4 - Dec 17
there are aroudn 14 Cervelo bicycles completed AUCTIONS on www.ebay.com
Between Dec 9 - Dec 18
there are around 7 Felt Bicycles completed Auctions on the same site.
Currently there are ZERO felt tri bike being auctioned and ONE Cervelo high end bike being auctioned off.
WOW, TALK ABOUT CERVELO CUSTOMER SATISFACTION EH ??
Gerard, thats a good ads idea for u bud.
ok i’ll bite again.
is this a reflection of cervelo compared to felt? or a reflection of the population of each mfr.
Out of curiosity, how many litespeeds, colnagos, treks, cannondales, (name your bike) are on auction?
in june 2002 all of Felt 02 bicycles were SOLD OUT. They even have to introduce their 2003 bicycles line ahead of all the rest of the manufacturers.
ALso do not forget that Felt Bicycles have been manufacturing and selling Tri bikes years ahead of Cervelo.
I guess, happy customers NEVER have to be forced to AUCTION their purchase for cheaps in the flea market like www,ebay.com
Your logic doesn’t add up. You say there are twice as many cervelos on auction, yet I would guess even you would admit that cervelo tri bike sales are far greater than 2x that of felt. So if you look at the percentages, your numbers say worse things about felt than they do about cervelo. BTW, I work in a bike shop, and I have ridden both cervelos and felts and like both. Our mechanic on the other hand(who has completed 12 IM’s including Kona several times in the 80’s) has seen more than a couple of felts with cracked frames. That being said, I think it was mostly on older models.
I dont think the total of Cervelo in the market today is twice as much as felt.
Felt has been selling bicycles way longer than Cervelo. Back then the main selling point for felt is the lightness of their b2 frame/bike. Under heavy rider with their aero tubing design they tend to be a noodle on the BB.
Still, even CANNONDALE which has WAY more market share than Cervelo is doing better than Cervelo.
Between Dec 6 - Dec 19 there are only 8 Cannondale Triathlon Bicycles that were AUCTIONED off by their owner.
Good fit = happy owner = less likely to take a loss by AUCTIONING OFF their bike on ebay.
you counted this?? I know that I have alot of time on my hands… just enough to go to class, study, train, but seriously… don’t you think its a extreme to be counting cervelo resales on ebay? my god man… we know you hate cervelo… apparently because they have “adjustable” geometry, however because your ranting has gotten more fragmented as time has passed, i’ve lost track of what else you dislike about them, I guess a fairly good bottom line is you just dislike everything about them. To be looking to ebay, and to justify that others, seems extreme. There are many other reasons that you havn’t taken into account as to why there are more cervelo’s then felts. The biggest reason that pops into mine head is that in the US, cervelo has a much bigger market share than Felt. Felt was reintroduced into the US 2 or 3 years ago, Cervelo has been around for longer than that. This increase in market share can be due to 1 reason. Based on Adam Smiths postulates on open market theory; if a market isn’t regulated, then competition leads to better products. Thus, if Cervelo stays around, it has a good product which people are willing to buy.
Now, I just did two quick searchs on ebay myself, though I was looking for current sales, 1 was for cervelo bikes, and the other for Felt bikes, I found 1 cervelo bike for sale, and 4, yes, thats right 4 Felt bikes for sale. While you might play semantics with me about the differences in meaning between current and past sales, this new information seems still to lead to a different conclusion than what you proposed. Further more, the problems with taking data from such a short time frame leads to further problems with your very ad hoc survey. If you can graph, comparatively using ebay data, the sales of cervelo vs. 5 other major tri bike companies, and then compare that with a graph of the gross units produced of each, I think that you will find that the turn over rate (that is to say the rate of reselling of them) will be significantly lower. I would also like to post one further question, how long did it take for the Cervelo’s to sell vs. the Felts? I would suspect that the Cervelo’s sell much faster than the Felts.
If you would like to launch an attack on me saying I ride a cervelo and therefore am a “cervelo zombie”, I would just like to inform you that I ride a Devinci road bike, and have a Norco mountain bike. I also hope you have a great christmas, and don’t have an anurism, because you seem to have alot of conflict problems.
Peace
David
Sorry that you have to count through all that bikes on ebay. There is an easy way to do it JUNIOR.
it only takes 2 clicks to go to www.ebay.com and seach their completed item. I only counted the triathlon bicycles for all the companies and not their road bicycles.
I guess, JUNIOR, you do not know much about the bicycle industry. Felt was selling bicycles while Gerard is still riding his Huffy and looking for gimmicks for his design.
You still have a lot to learn in college. How did you get passed your SAT ?? or are you in one of those “COMMUNITY COLLEGES” ??
p/s: I dont know what you been smoking in your COMMUNITY COLLEGE but there is only 1 felt tri bike on auction now.
c’mon RON, you deleting your illegal act ??? I wont report it to your ISP or/and the Police now.
a little ping, whois and traceroute never hurt no one. do i have to spoof my ip when i post now or SET UP an NAT now ???
I am quoting and doing research on ebay and it really offended you huh ??
tell u what, just email Don the owner of the forum and you can get my real email address if you are really desperate.
happy miles
Actually there were only 9 Cervelos auctioned off. You just looked at the # of hits from your search which also included some things that included the word Cervelo, but were not actually bikes, including a Trek(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7298&item=1977966186).
I also found 7 Felts for sale.
To get an idea of market share, why don’t we look at the data for Kona. I couldn’t find the complete results from this years survey on the site, but for 2001 the numbers were: Cervelo - 57, Felt - 21.
Cervelo increased to 89 this year, I couldn’t find the number for Felt, but I doubt that it increased as much.
So it would seem that there are less Cervelos for auction if you look at the percentage of market share versus the Felt.
Ed
Hey Ed, here is the article you were looking for. Bikes at Kona 2002.
http://triathletemag.com/story.cfm?departmentID=68&story_id=4140
Tish
Nope don’t need that information. I deleted it after considering how immature it made me look to the readers of this forum. I reconsidered and decided that I didn’t want to lower myself to your level of juvenile entertainment. I realized I was feeding your ego and I really don’t want to do that. I prefer to converse with people that have something to contribute to the conversation and the overall general discussion.
As you always say, “Don’t compromise.” I’m out of this conversation.
I hope have a great Christmas and New Year. I’m looking forward to reading your impressions of the Dual after you’ve done your test ride.
I hate to even get into a discussion with this loser, however his numbers mean nothing. You would really need to know how many of each model and brand were sold each year for both brands of bikes in total, and then the numbers, model years, and models of all sold on ebay. Then perhaps you could put together some statistics. However, again, since the sample of bikes on ebay is so small, you really could not draw many safe conclusions. There are some distributions used for small sample size that you could plug the data in, but broken down by year and model, I believe the samples would be way too small to get anything out of.
By his method you can say since more BMWs are sold in the want ads than Kias, Kias are obviously better cars with higher customer satisfaction.
Now can everyone please quit responding to this moron?
Orang_Utan. I am sorry if you think that. I lurk on this forum quite a bit and read alot of the posts. Just haven’t really posted much. I do however post on trinewbies alot (under Jason over there). I was only trying to let this forum know that this guy was posting over there under the name Jon that is all . Please do not confuse me with him. Please email if you like to see that I am not this guy.
Thank You
Jason Tischer (aka Tish)
So the numbers for this year were: Cervelo - 89, Felt - 20.
That means that for Ironman Triathletes who are talented enough to qualify for Kona, 4 times as many prefer Cervelos to Felts.
Ed
wow Ron, i am impressed. you are learning fast.
I will certaintly post my test ride impression on the dual, felt s22, s32 . QR kilo and the c’dale Ironman 800.
Still, among them by beauty alone, the Dual and the two tone cannondale stand out. But if i wanted beauty, i’ll buy a painting.
I still say the DUAL color scheme is based on the Canadian Flag though. LOL
oh well, ebay might not be a good sample due to the small population but hey, it is a good starting line. IF THE BIKE FITS YOU DONT AUCTION IT OFF
Jason I never thought you were Jon aka Urang Utan. Actually Jon was pretty civil over on TNO. It wasn’t until he came over here and got flamed (of course he didn’t help the matter and is equally to blame but it appears he likes the light caused by the flames).
Take it easy.
even Cannondale TRIATHLON Bicycles has LESS bicycles on AUCTION over at www.Ebay.com
Cannondale has been selling triathlon bikes as far back as 1994. Surely they have more triathlon in the market than the new company, Cervelo
The Dual is an eye catcher so I’m sure your choice in the C’dale Ironman 800 is up there also. Care to share which colors? I kind of like the Denim Blue to White Fade.
yup thats the one. the green/ neon is too loud.
I like the 700c wheelset setup as they are standard and offers more tire choice. I also currently have hed tri spoke, zipp 530 and hed disk on my giant TCR.
However, in the past i had a Profile forward seatpost on a cannondale road bike and it just didint work. I also have zipp 2001 bike that has the flippable seat clamp tto alter the seat angle like the cervelo.
Needless to say, that also didnt work out on me and my body type. That is why, i am very weary of the cervelo design.
I started out good and polite on both forums but when i noticed that people arent so forgiving, thats why i decided to feed on the flame and join the fun.
hahahah its been a very fun trip. But i aint foolish,
i still am going to test ride the Cervelo Dual before i spend my $$$
Well Jon as you’ve seen I’m human and make mistakes and hit the submit button when I should have hit the cancel or back button. I’m sure I’ll continue to make mistakes and step on people’s toes but I’ll try to minimize the damage. I hope we, at least you and me, can continue to be civil with each other and treat each other with respect regardless of which bike(s) we own.
Well you’ve got a pretty good shopping list of bikes to try out. I hope you find the one that gets you into the steep seat tube angle you want and where you’re the most powerful, comfortable, and aero.