Difference between a half marathon in a HIM or Stand Alone

My company held a Half Marathon last weekend so three weeks ago I was talked into running in it for free. Till then I had maxed out at 9.5 miles in a single run. I ramped up the training and got to 13.25 the week before the race. I ran the Half at a 140 BPM pace until the last 6 miles where I sped up progressively finishing the last mile at about 160 BPM average. When I finished, I felt like I could have gone faster, but I ran it as I would have expected for the the to HIMs I have next year.

Is there a difference in runng a HIM half marathon run and a stand alone? I know I could have gone harder, but the plan I used in this one is the plan I intended to use in my first HIM and adjust accordingly for the second. I felt great after this race, but obviously there will be a swim and long bike before the run come March.

By the way, I just missed the 2 hour benchmark for the second time running this distance.

Good on you for managing your pace so well during the run. Too many people start off at 160BPM and finish the last 3 miles by walking at 100BPM.
I find that the swim makes little impact on how tired I feel for the run. I’m a slow and steady swimmer so that leg is simply a nice refreshing dip.
The bike makes a huge difference for the run. I find there is a ‘magic’ redline on the bike and if I cross it I suffer on the run. I have a ‘comfort’ speed for the 55miles after which I can run almost as well as a stand alone running race BUT if I bike just a little faster I end up walking and shuffling way too much of the run. Good luck in your training.

The gap between open and HIM times all comes down to run conditioning. If you are anything less than a very-well-conditioned runner, then your tolerance for overcooking the bike leg is much smaller. IOW, a small overshot on the bike will translate to much greater losses on the run. If you are a very-well-conditioned runner or better, then your tolerance on the bike leg is much larger. In this case, you can likely overbike by a fair percentage and still be able to pull off a decent run - say, within 5 or 6% of your open time.

“Is there a difference in runng a HIM half marathon run and a stand alone?”

Yes and No?..

Essentially they are the same in that the distance is long enough that if you just try to hammer it you are going to go out too fast. A successful race is predicated by knowing what pace you need to run the 1/3 to 1/2 of the 13.1 at. The way that you do that before the race is by dialing in your tempo pace. One of your workouts ought to be something like 2x20’(3’ easy)@Tempo. This is “comfortably hard”, or the pace you could sustain for a 1 hour race. If in the last 5’ of the 2nd interval you are able to drop your pace by more than ~:05/mile, you should adjust your Tempo Pace to a faster pace for the next week’s workout. If in the final 5’ of the 2nd interval you struggle to hold the pace, you should adjust it slower. Remember, this isn’t the fastest that you can run the 2x20’, but ~95% of that. Get this pace dialed in! It will likely take you a few weeks.

For a ~2 hr runner such as yourself, you would be shooting for an open HM pace of roughly :15/mile slower than your T pace. For faster runners, they would be running closer to their T pace…a 1:30 hm runner would probably be closer to :08-:10/mile slower than T pace. Race experience will allow each individual to dial in their specifics, but these are good guidelines. I use this as a cap for the first ~4 miles. Invariably, it feels too slow and I have to force myself to slow down. At 4 miles, the early adrenaline has worn off, and I generally have a good idea of my prospects for picking up the pace if I’m feeling strong.

In a HIM, your pace will generally be similar to your open marathon pace, which is generally ballparked to :15/mile slower than your open half marathon pace. When you come out of T2 after having been going ~20 mph for a long time, this generally feels way too easy. People will be tearing past you, and it takes real discipline to stay at your goal pace for the first 3-4 miles since it feels so easy. You have to trust that if you really were able to run faster, you’d have been able to do it during your tempo runs in training. Because this pace feels easy, you ought to be able to get some nutrition in during these first few miles. At some point, someone is going to put a piano on your back, and maintaining this previously easy pace becomes very hard, but if you do, you will start reeling in many of the people who went tearing past in the early miles.

Good luck! I generally manage to even split my HIM runs, and I find it very energizing when in the last 4 miles I am picking people in front off and running them down. Usually, my HIM split is around 5 minutes slower than my open hm time.

Can’t stress enough about how important it is to both have your tempo pace dialed in as well as to do workouts at this pace each week when you are training for open halfs and HIMs. This pace gives you a lot of bang for not a lot of recovery cost or injury risk compared to shorter/faster speedwork.

I think I have a pretty good data set for this question.

This year I did Augusta 70.3 on September 30. Good race with no problems. Ran a 1:57. Avg temp was 71 degrees and avg humidity was 90%.
I also did the New Orleans Jazz Half Marathon on October 27. Also a good race, but lost 45 seconds for a pee stop. Ran a 1:41. Avg temp was 55 and avg humidity was 84.

Both runs were pancake flat.

The difference here was 16 minutes, but also 20 degrees. So with identical conditions, the difference may be around 12 minutes, give or take.

I run 1:50-1:55 open and probably average 2:10 in a HIM. The hotter it is, the slower my run time as I tend to cook on the bike and cramp up.

The gap between open and HIM times all comes down to run conditioning. If you are anything less than a very-well-conditioned runner, then your tolerance for overcooking the bike leg is much smaller. IOW, a small overshot on the bike will translate to much greater losses on the run. If you are a very-well-conditioned runner or better, then your tolerance on the bike leg is much larger. In this case, you can likely overbike by a fair percentage and still be able to pull off a decent run - say, within 5 or 6% of your open time.

I’ve always considered it the opposite. The stronger you are on the bike the more you can “overcook” it and still run fast. Some of the elite runners I know that don’t swim or bike much do usually put up very fast run times in HIM’s, but they are still usually 10’ or more slower than their much faster open run times, which isn’t any better than what I’ve done on less than half of their run mileage and riding very hard (.9+ IF).

1:50 stand alone
1:56 HIM

I was amazed…was expecting to do a 2:10-2:15 HIM

Conditioning and nutrition were my keys.

Best open half-Marathon: 1:46
Best run leg on a HIM: 1:53
Worst run leg of a HIM: 2:39 (overdid the bike and was undertrained)
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This is me!
Best open half-Marathon: 1:46
Worst run leg of a HIM: 2:39 (overdid the bike and was undertrained)

Is there a difference in runng a HIM half marathon run and a stand alone?

The cramps in my quads!

For my one real data point from this year I went 1:21:16 in late April in an open 1/2 marathon then went and ran a 1:25:46 at NOLA 70.3 (also went 1:39 at Racine on a hot day but I was also very undertrained). Last year my open 1/2 at the start of the season was 1:27:03 then during that season I ran a 1:31:54 in my first HIM race ever then went 1:32 at a hot Munice 70.3, 1:26:xx at a perfect day in Steelhead then 1:35:07 at a brutally hot 70.3 WC race. So for me it looks like I am around :20 seconds slower but the reason I ran so fast in the 1:21 open was I was running with some people so we really pushed each other. I have not yet figured out how to really really put myself in the hurt locker in a race. So I would say that :10-20/mile off the open run time would be a good guess.

But what someone else has said if your bike fitness is really high you will be fresher coming off of the bike but at the same time having really good run fitness is a big advantage too because you are able to run well with tired legs. Hope my random data points helped.

The gap between open and HIM times all comes down to run conditioning. If you are anything less than a very-well-conditioned runner, then your tolerance for overcooking the bike leg is much smaller. IOW, a small overshot on the bike will translate to much greater losses on the run. If you are a very-well-conditioned runner or better, then your tolerance on the bike leg is much larger. In this case, you can likely overbike by a far percentage and still be able to pull off a decent run - say, within 5 or 6% of your open time.

I think this is accurate. I am a strong biker and average runner. My open half time this year is 1:36. My HIM run times were 1:59 and 2:01 .

My strategy for each also differs. I race the open half hard from the go. If you have HIM fitness, that should not be an issue.

For the HIM run, I start slower with the goal of running an even pace the whole time and hopefully getting equal splits, or as close thereto as possible.

Weather also plays a factor. Open halfs are almost always in the early morning when it’s cool. HIM runs are almost always at high noon when it’s hot.

In theory, I suppose I could improve my HIM runs by going slower on the bike. But, I will never do that.

I have run my fastest half times in 40 degree temps. My HIM runs have all been in the 80’s. You can’t compare the two. The higher temps probably hurt more than the 56 mile bike.

Man I really got to figure myself out next year. I run 1:45 open and have never cracked 2:00 on a HIM run. Got a power meter on the bike, rode to the specified power based on my FTP but when I get to the run after a while my body just shuts down.

Temp does play a HUGE role with me but I wouldn’t think a 15-20 minute difference

You’re simply riding at too high watts.

My HIM run was 1:51 and my stand alone was 1:41, but it was 85 degrees for the HIM and only 55 for the stand alone. My marathon half split was 1:45. I think I probably could have done 1:45 in cooler weather at the HIM.

In your case I don’t think you particularly underperformed on the run. My comment was to the other poster. But people have got to realize that knowing your FTP is just a first step in pacing the bike ofr an optimal run. A book that says bike at x% of FTP is just a guide. It may not be correct for any given individual.

Pacing in Open is much easier when everyone is fresh and corralled up based on a target pace, very simple - just settle into pace & go. I find Tri run much more challenging to stay confident with pace when everyone is on different programs (catching/passing folks that have gone to walking, and then getting dusted by the strong runners).

Not a lot, my best half marathon time is 1:18, however ive run most of them at 1:21. My best HIM run is 1:23 with a 2:15 bike, with this year doing a 1:24 after a 2:12 bike.

Similarly my best run at Ironman is 3:11, (3:12 this year after a 4:53 bike), and although ive never run a marathon I dont think id be much quicker.