The thing with the Ventum is that the seat angle is 82 degrees, which is about 30 mm further forward then most bikes. Hence her saddle being so far back because just not everybody likes to ride that steep if you use also an ISM saddle that you ride on the nose.
Now using a seat angle as steep as that, again, with using an ISM saddle riding it the correct way for sure you end up in trouble if you are built with a specific morphology like shorter legs longer torso or even if you are built ‘norma’ and like a bit more recah in your cockpit.
If she like how that bike is set up now and I assume at her level she did testing on aero and stuff she would be even more out of reach on a size smaller so I disagree with E-DUB on this.
If I would have designed the Ventum with that steep of a seat angle I would have use a longer frame reach to compensate for the loss of reach due to the SA.
This is why about every pro athlete riding this bike, and also about every AG I saw so far, uses any form of reach extenders. And it is my good guess that’s why Profile Design will come with an Ultimate bar with a much longer stem in the near future and these will be put on the Ventum.
As a pro I can understand that you sometimes need to juggle between having a sponsor or not and choices are based on that. But I think another bike model would fit her better.
That is me not saying the Ventum is a bad bike, not at all, but it has a very specific design in geometry which either fits you really well or not. I think this could be a long legged shorter torso dream bike.
Maybe we’ll see Sodaro’s in a future ‘episode’. Canyon’s dimension combo (post BMC and IMWC 2022 win) didn’t suit her: they did lots of testing and “settled” on Ventum as the best for her. I suspect she’s a long IL / short(er) torso athlete.
The longer stem version is because I want to offer a range of fit options. As it turns out, that will be particularly helpful for Ventum and they’ll be able to offer the Wing Ultimate L as an option.
I’ll just point out that using aftermarket parts on PD basebars voids the basebar warranty and is completely at the riders own risk. Reach extenders in particular are a major concern. PD parts are tested to be a safe ecosystem, 3rd party components are a huge unknown.
That’s a consequence of the raised top tube to be behind the stem. Drop it 50mm to have the top of the TT at the level of the frame x point and it looks very different. Give the TT a bit of slope like a P-Series and it looks “normal” - doesn’t change anything about the fit.
Isn’t her husband associated with Erosports? Her position is definitely tested. I’m not arguing for or against her position - just that it has been arrived at after a process.
It’s not applicable as a general rule though. The PD extender was designed to still have one bolt from the bar to the bracket (because steel is good). Doubling up meant that the 2nd extender started failing. But that was on the basebar with the strongest mount area, so on another basebar it may have failed in the mount first.
There are two main things that concern me with aftermarket extenders:
leverage on the basebar mount
the design of the extender
As you well know - testing is the only way to find answers. Which is non-trivial for something like this. The PD extender was tested with each bar and bracket option from the PD range to be sure that it is safe across the ecosystem.
The final answer is that only the 32mm PD extender is approved for use with PD bars (that have the A2 or A3 system).
I’m aware that Bernie Sanders exists but that’s about it (I’m not from the USA).
I’ve explained previously that UCI rules make it very difficult to go longer and only IM rules are more relaxed for Tri (but not World Tri). There is a rule changed proposed that would allow longer frames.
But that still may not change much for the Tempus, which was aimed at UCI legality so they can play in the road world more.
I don’t understand your comment in relation to the frame being too large. I argue that on most frames you can put the seat anywhere you want (within reason), making it possible to achieve the same saddle to bottom bracket position (both height and setback).
I haven’t seen her ride her bike, so I cannot judge whether she should rotate her whole position forward with respect to the bottom bracket. In any case, rotating forward also means you most likely go longer on the front and potentially deeper. She still has spacers on the front, so she could go lower on this frame size.
Sorry to be so persistent, but repeating the same words you wrote before does not help me understand your reasoning. Can you explain it better/differently so I understand your logic?
Here orange and black achieve exactly the same saddle position with respect to the bb and by having a longer aerobar at the front the same reach is achieved as well. The main difference here is that ugly tricks are necessary to achieve orange, whereas on the black frame no reach extenders are necessary. Would your argument go to the green setup?
Yes, sorry, after I read it back it sounds like the longer stem version was specific made for the Ventum, that’s not what I meant. I meant it should really help the Ventum in getting more reach without the need of extremely long after market extenders.
And if needed it can still coupled with the reach extender in a safe way.
I’m riding a very similar setup to this, albeit on a totally different bike, and have no issues (my n=1).
Large Argon18 E119tri+, full FastTT front end (adaptor plate, angled mounts, reach extenders, and XL aero bars) and at 190cm and 75kg and as far forward as I can legally go and it’s been holding up great once you get everything tightened and carbon pasted.
The big difference is my risers are bolted into fork, not into the basebar. I have more confidence in my system than hers, but she is significantly smaller than I am.
Bikes are simply too short today and if her fit is anything like mine going down a frame size will prevent you from getting the amount of reach we need.
Personal note: don’t consider Ventum when it’s time for a new bike!
Ventum will switch to the A3 bracket once it is available, which basically builds the reach extender in as standard functionality - which will also help.
for her. I suspect she’s a long IL / short(er) torso athlete.
