Cycling/Technological advances

Triathlon Forum
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There seems to be a lot of talking, some folks taking action by testing, some folks making outlandish claims, some folks doing some studies, etc.

I declare that the only judge of any significant cycling or technological advance will be this:

All World Records will be considered as Pre-“said invention” and Post “said invention”.

For example there are pre aero frame/bar hour records and post.

So if any manufacturer makes a claim it will have to have a direct effect on the world records or be nothing but claim.

This immediately wipes out most technological advances: which is another point: are we any better off with all this technological crap - especially considering that since technological advances in the western countries have occurred their endurance performance has not improved on mass (could argue that western countries are worse now at running then 30 years ago) and that the countries with the least technology aids/equipment available are dominating the world endurance running stage.

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I would agree, cyclists are being ripped off by the
various equipment companies, the least gains can
cost thousands of dollars and when everyone has
the equipment, it is back to a level and much more
expensive playing field.
That is why more time should be spent on
researching what could be used in the hour record
attempt, the pedaling. A whole new area of biomechanical research lies waiting for the person
who takes the first step.

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For the hour record you have to be riding a traditional steel bike, with the same technology as when Eddy Merkx set it back 1972, so no aero bars, no tricked out disc wheels, no funky positioning, no aero bars just you and the track.

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For the REAL hour record the 1960’s technology limits don’t exist. The UCI only recently made the decision to stop recognising the real record in favor of the athlete’s record.

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I would agree, cyclists are being ripped off by the
various equipment companies, the least gains can
cost thousands of dollars and when everyone has
the equipment, it is back to a level and much more
expensive playing field.
That is why more time should be spent on
researching what could be used in the hour record
attempt, the pedaling. A whole new area of biomechanical research lies waiting for the person
who takes the first step. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part4/section-26.html ****

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I would agree, cyclists are being ripped off by the
various equipment companies, the least gains can
cost thousands of dollars and when everyone has
the equipment, it is back to a level and much more
expensive playing field.
That is why more time should be spent on
researching what could be used in the hour record
attempt, the pedaling. A whole new area of biomechanical research lies waiting for the person
who takes the first step. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part4/section-26.html ****

I don’t blame you for not understanding what I am
trying to get across. Ankling is just another version
of circular pedaling where direct downward pedal
pressure at 3 o’clock is how maximum power is applied.
I am referring to linear pedaling, direct downward
pedal pressure is never used, it is a more powerful
way of generating pedal power which can be smoothly
applied to the pedals throughout the entire 360
degrees of the chainwheel.
Just as today’s experts believe circular pedaling is
still the only way to pedal, not knowing Anquetil’s
technique, they brushed it aside as an ankling
style of pedaling. Anquetil must have been laughing
all the way to the bank.

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well, then don’t blame any of us for not understanding because none of what you said so far made any sense at all to anyone…

FYI, Anquetil never became rich…his home is in the Vallee de Chevreuse, the area where I used to live. Nothing fancy.
Also FYI, many ex pros who used to ride with him live there too (truly best place in Paris area to ride) and none of them know anything about what you are talking about…
guess you have to have a special eye or something.
but then, with this nickname, that was expected.

As for being ripped off, well let’s see:
aero bike, aero bars, aero wheels etc: hour record is 56+km without all this 49+…
seems like a pretty big difference to me.

Of course the pros don’t know what I am talking
about, they are all circular pedalers. A comparison
between linear pedaling technique and that of
Anquetil on video would instantly sort that out.
But the most important aspect of the difference
between linear and circular pedaling is that by
changing the main power application area from 2
/ 4 o’clock to 1 / 3 o’clock and because of the technique used, you eliminate all lower back strain/pain and injury and even with the higher
gears, you reduce the effect of the workload on the
knees.
So if only for its medical advantages, linear
pedaling needs to be thoroughly researched.

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you know, as a college prof. if some students do not get what I explain after a few tries, I think, ok, maybe they are not gifted for the subject.
When noone understands, then I think, it’s me…

In his book B. Hinault stated that it was impossible
to combine arm resistance with leg power when riding
at speed in the saddle. He is wrong, it is possible
and that is one of the many advantages of Anquetil’s
technique and it was my experiments when trying
to make this possible that led me directly to Anquetil’s
style of pedaling. It cannot be copied because it is
99 per cent mental. So if you can discover how to
combine arm resistance and leg power you will also
have stumbled on to Anquetil’s mysterious technique.

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perfection,

what category do you ride in? because did you know that Hinault won 5 tours? (plus some vueltas and giros? and world champs?)…

how fast does the “mysterious” technique make you? are you a cat1? elite? is your real name Lance A?

Discovery is what gives me satisfaction, anyone can
win the Tour but only one person can make a
discovery which in this case turned out to be 4
in total.
I will be returning to vets. racing next season as
soon as I have successfully passed on this technique
to those who have every reason to appreciate it,
the worst lower back pain victims who have been
forced out of the sport by the pain and they too
should be able to make a pain free return to
time trial riding next season.

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I would agree, cyclists are being ripped off by the
various equipment companies…

Ripped off? If you’re buying helium injected unobtanium valve caps and carbon fiber shoe laces in hopes that they may transform you from a cat. 5 to a Tour contender… well, I have a bridge for sale…

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Re: I don’t blame you for not understanding what I am
trying to get across. Ankling is just another version
of circular pedaling where direct downward pedal
pressure at 3 o’clock is how maximum power is applied.
I am referring to linear pedaling, direct downward
pedal pressure is never used, it is a more powerful
way of generating pedal power which can be smoothly
applied to the pedals throughout the entire 360
degrees of the chainwheel.
Just as today’s experts believe circular pedaling is
still the only way to pedal, not knowing Anquetil’s
technique, they brushed it aside as an ankling
style of pedaling. Anquetil must have been laughing
all the way to the bank.

Ok, this thread is entering the “Twilight Zone”. I want to make sure I understand what’s going on here. “Circular” pedaling applies maximum power at 3 o’clock, while “linear” pedalling applies power throughout the entire pedal stroke? In what universe does this nomenclature make sense? These claims of some mysterious technique sound very much like a radio commercial that I heard the other day about being able to get a casino for free and reap all the profits from it with no risk. I’m certainly open to understanding new techniques. Can you please refer me to a book/video/article that outlines in detail this technique that you are referring to?

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The “athletes” hour record is a joke. Boardman used a lycra skinsuit, clipless pedals, shoe covers and a modern semi aero helmet that Boardman himself said saved him about 1:30.

I think mr perfection is a software agent that automatically posts the same text on any forum where the subject of pedaling comes up. It’s actually 100% mental because it’s all in his head - if it exists and is not some software passing the Turing test unheralded as it posts its way through the ether.

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Ok, this thread is entering the “Twilight Zone”. I want to make sure I understand what’s going on here. “Circular” pedaling applies maximum power at 3 o’clock, while “linear” pedalling applies power throughout the entire pedal stroke? In what universe does this nomenclature make sense? These claims of some mysterious technique sound very much like a radio commercial that I heard the other day about being able to get a casino for free and reap all the profits from it with no risk. I’m certainly open to understanding new techniques. Can you please refer me to a book/video/article that outlines in detail this technique that you are referring to?

The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

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I dont know what is wrong with you Francois, as you can see here in these examples, I now clearly understand now how to pedal linearly like perfection has described.

We (perfection and I) like to call it the secret “Pedal Linearificationalism” or PL for short.

You see, it is 90 percent mental, once you understand this then you will be able to win the Tour as well. We will discuss this more at an upcoming summit next weekend.

http://www.shodor.org/chemviz/overview/quantum.gif

http://www.csicop.org/si/9701/stenger1.jpg

http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/images1/quantum-graph.gif

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You may not win the Tour, but in time trials and
track pursuits you would be invincible when using
linear pedaling.

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I knew that…
indeed I would win everything…because if I have enough strength to bend my cranks and chainrings that are circular to accomodate LP then, I surely have enough strength to develop 2000w for 6h.

Answer this question Francois,
Have you seen the video on Anquetil’s racing years
which had some excellent examples of his time trial
pedaling action and a pedaling style section which
tries to explain the difference in technique.

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f.y.i,
even the cannibal used technology to his benefit. the bike he road in 72 for the hour record was titanium

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Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

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Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

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Re: The video " The Mysterious Cycling Champion "
Has a section devoted to the pedaling style.

So, the only published information about this technique which you herald as potentially the most revolutionary discovery in cycling since inflatable tires is a short excerpt in a television documentary on Anquetil’s life? I would think that if this mysterious technique had any merit it would not still be that mysterious 3 years after it’s revelation in this documentary. I would have expected that there would be significant literature and studies completed or at least in process to prove this. What else do you have besides a tv documentary?

It was demonstrated by some good close up
pedaling action and some good very serious
time trial pedaling action, nothing was revealed
because as the narrator said, it held many secrets
such as the unity of movement, body position and
the unusual style of pointed feet as they nurtured
the pedals and as far as the makers of the video
and his racing manager were concerned, the source
of his high geared pedal power was still a mystery.
Just as in the days when Anquetil was racing, it
was an embarrassment to the cycling experts who
could not discover how he did it, today they refuse
to recognise the fact that it ever existed.
Suppose I am correct, where does that leave all
the pedaling experts of the past 50 years. The
worst aspect of this whole affair is that countless
riders have been put through years of needless
lower back pain torture, which could have been
eliminated by this simple and much more effective
technique.