Currently, what super bike TT and road bikes have a long reach and short stack?
i’m pretty sure qr, cube, shiv tt, boardman, canyon, focus, storck all make long/low tt bikes
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Depends what you define as long and low, generally Cervelo is considered long and low but there is probably more out there that are to more of an extreme
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Depends what you define as long and low, generally Cervelo is considered long and low but there is probably more out there that are to more of an extreme
Agreed
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Hardly any manufacturers now make a truly long reach low stack bike… simply a reflection of catering to the masses.
Bikes I would consider long and low without undue body weight hanging over the front of the bike… QR CD0.1 & Illicito
Bikes that you could get long and low on depending on your hip angle… most of the tri bikes designed as tri bikes vs. UCI legal TT bikes with a reversible seat post.
Road bike wise… Treks with their H1 option, Canyon Aeroad CF SLX, Cipollini RB1000, Cinelli Strato Faster, Velocite Magnus…plus am sure a few other brands top end bikes if you tossed out the large headset spacers most come with and ran a -17 degree stem.
That’s my 2c…from a penchant for those types of tri and road bikes geometrically…
David
Shiv TT is definitely long and low.
The old Cervelo geometry certainly was long and low, don’t know if their current geometry still qualifies (never bothered to see if I could replicate my old P2 position on the new geo). It definitely is not as long and low as it used to be.
Might agree that Shiv TT module is low but it is long…
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/road/shiv-tt/sworks-shiv-tt-module#geometry
Compare a medium to a 2012 P3 Cervelo (the classic as it is now known and what was considered a leader in the long low genre…) and that Shiv is almost 20mm shorter, effectively more so if you factor in 75 degree seat angle versus tri bikes being more 78 degrees.
Of course, some of these considerations are obfuscated by some manufacturers more wisely figuring matters out based on pad stack and reach.
D.
Geometry has changed over the years, and a lot of manufacturers that used to have long and low bikes no longer do. The new offerings from Cervelo and QR are not very aggressive anymore. With the addition of extensive hydration/storage mounting, the new Scott Plasma (and Canyon Speedmax?..) can’t get very low anymore either. It’s a damn shame in my opinion.
The Shiv TT, Focus Izalco, Cube Aerium, and Kuota KT05 (etc?..) are the only truly aggressive new “superbikes”.
Depends what you define as long and low, generally Cervelo is considered long and low but there is probably more out there that are to more of an extreme
Complete misinformation. Older Cervelos were long and low, but starting with the P5, followed by the NP3 & 2, they moved to a very middle of the road geometry. NP3 increased stack from the older P3 by a full 24 mm in the very common 54 cm size.
OP is better to just look at “Stack & Reach” on the menu bar at the top of this page.
Might agree that Shiv TT module is low but it is long…
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/road/shiv-tt/sworks-shiv-tt-module#geometry
Compare a medium to a 2012 P3 Cervelo (the classic as it is now known and what was considered a leader in the long low genre…) and that Shiv is almost 20mm shorter, effectively more so if you factor in 75 degree seat angle versus tri bikes being more 78 degrees.
Of course, some of these considerations are obfuscated by some manufacturers more wisely figuring matters out based on pad stack and reach.
D.
A fair point…I ride a 54 P2 (old geo) and a Large Shiv TT, so the Shiv TT is definitely shortER than the old Cervelo geometry, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it is “short”.
I would guess the the Vias Venge fits in this category for road bikes. Just put the flat bar with no spacers.
The Venge vias isn’t exactly that low, I’m sure there are bikes with a lower front end
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Depends what you define as long and low, generally Cervelo is considered long and low but there is probably more out there that are to more of an extreme
Complete misinformation. Older Cervelos were long and low, but starting with the P5, followed by the NP3 & 2, they moved to a very middle of the road geometry. NP3 increased stack from the older P3 by a full 24 mm in the very common 54 cm size.
OP is better to just look at “Stack & Reach” on the menu bar at the top of this page.
Quite. I had the possibility of a warranty replacement for my P3C (the replacement being the NP3) and decided to keep my bike, because of this.
Depends what you define as long and low, generally Cervelo is considered long and low but there is probably more out there that are to more of an extreme
I guess that would be defined as the old felt cervelo and OR bikes (the new cervelos def not long and low )
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Check out the Felt DA1. UCI-legal, ultra-stiff, and very light.