Critique My Stroke (2)

The swim is my poorest of the three sports so I’m trying to work on it in the off season. I had my girlfriend take this at the end of my workout so it would show more of my flaws…of which there are many I’m sure.

Have fun and thanks for any helpful advice.

http://youtu.be/2BrimgAOCvg?hd=1

I’m in the same situation as you… you have a weird thing going on with your right leg when kicking. I’m spending one session a week working on my kicking and balance in the water to fix that.

Yeah I noticed that I kick my leg and rotate alot of my upper body when breathing, which in turn sacrifices efficiency through the water. I’m not really sure how to cure that though. Practice practice practice I guess.

I’m no expert, but could your kick be improved by better head positioning? Maybe if you look down and rotate your head with your body to breathe, and not look up, that might help to avoid having to kick so hard on that side to take a breath.

I’ll give it a shot. Thanks.

Try swimming with your hands besides your body, kicking only. Look down with your head and rotate your whole body to breathe. That might help you get the hang of keeping your head in line with your body.

Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngW0hGPU8wM

Okay, bearing in mind that I’m a slow swimmer and this could all be garbage…
Your pull seems to stop before the hip; try pulling through until you start the recovery.
Your stroke is quite asymmetric, which could explain the odd kick, and might be fixed by breathing bilaterally.
Your head looks a little high, but what would I know…

Really, I need a video of my swimming. I’d probably cry a little when I saw it, but it would help. I’m going to watch this thread and see what tips I can pick up. Hopefully if I’ve said anything stupid then people can mercilessly attack my misconceptions. :slight_smile:

Your arms aren’t doing much to make you go forward. We should see your arms pushing water towards your feet. It looks like your pull is a total waste until your arm gets below your face. Then you give some kind of a wrist flick to get the water going.

Watch this video. Notice how he sets his arm up to start pulling at the beginning of the stroke. Watch his stroke from the farthest reach until it gets to his face. That is the biggest difference. His elbow stays up while he catches water. Your elbow goes straight down catching nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvM3JYC--hM

The timing of your pull is off. Try catch up drill. Another good one for you would be one arm, breathing away if u can do it. For example, pull w right arm, left by your side. You can breathe either way but breathing away from the pulling arm is more beneficial for balance practice. Oh and you can try w fins if its too difficult. Good luck.

A few things:

  1. Kick is disconnected from stroke, and mostly comes from the knees.
  2. You have no real catch, your hands enter and mostly drift down, arm is straight through entire pull.
  3. You’re looking up a bit too much, which is tending to push your hips down.
  4. You rotate almost completely on to your side to breathe.

#'s 1 and 2 are what I would work on first, probably #2 over #1. Develop an effective catch, and it will help bring you up in the water, and eliminate some of the need to roll so far to get breath exposure.

John

Not getting much pull, keep your elbows high, not down to the bottom of the pool.
Your kick is not connected to your stroke and your right foot is not pointed during the kick but points straight down to the pool bottom acting as a brake.

Agree with Devlin on all points.

First the good - body position is not bad with hips close to the surface. Your head is also well down in the water.

Some stroke thoughts to keep in mind while you swim:

  • Focus on just bringing one eye out of the water when you breathe - that should help the overrotation
    -You want to feel the water as soon as you put your hand in the water. Think of pulling on a rope - steady tension throughout
    (trying some paddle drills may help develop this feel)
    (another drill is to do pulls just in the front part of your stroke, recover at your shoulder)
  • Kick is kind of a mess, but we’re triathletes and you could have worse problems. Think about kicking more from your hips
    and locking the knees out.

Fixing the overrotation and kick should give you a more powerful core to pull against, that will give you a lot more power out of the catch

How did you make that video, it provides a very good view.

One issue that will help is to improve the flexibility of your shoulders so that you can be more streamlined when your hand enters the water. When you push off the wall try to pin your upper arms to your ears.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I’ll try to focus on some of the suggestions Sunday at the pool.

As far as how I made the video, I stuck a GoPro camera on a broomstick with the handlebar mount and had my girlfriend walk along side of me when I swam.

I made one of her too…but she’s much faster than me so I don’t want to REALLY embarrass myself! :wink:

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I’ll try to focus on some of the suggestions Sunday at the pool.

As far as how I made the video, I stuck a GoPro camera on a broomstick with the handlebar mount and had my girlfriend walk along side of me when I swam.

I made one of her too…but she’s much faster than me so I don’t want to REALLY embarrass myself! :wink:

Why did you post the video in slow motion? :slight_smile:

I think it’s only fair that, since we had to suffer through watching you swim, we get to see the video of your girlfriend. After all, pics or it didn’t happen!

To me, the absolute biggest issue is that you are getting nearly nothing from your left arm pull and almost nothing from your right arm pull. Your forearm should be as close to vertical (“Early Vertical Forearm”) as possible for as long as possible, whereas your forearm is horizontal for much of the catch and pull. And as others have said, your kick timing is 100% out of phase: when one hand enters the water, the opposite foot should be kicking downwards (and from the hip, not the knee!).

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I’ll try to focus on some of the suggestions Sunday at the pool.

As far as how I made the video, I stuck a GoPro camera on a broomstick with the handlebar mount and had my girlfriend walk along side of me when I swam.

I made one of her too…but she’s much faster than me so I don’t want to REALLY embarrass myself! :wink:

Why did you post the video in slow motion? :slight_smile:

I think it’s only fair that, since we had to suffer through watching you swim, we get to see the video of your girlfriend. After all, pics or it didn’t happen!

Ha! I’ll try to speed it up next time. :wink:

I’ll see if she wants it posted for all to see. If she beats me for posting it without her consent…I guess it could only help my form. :wink:

Excuse me for not sifting through the other replies too. If anything I mention is redundant that’s why.

I don’t want to pick on everything that’s short of perfect because that’s tedious for me and overwhelming for you.

I see 3 things I think you can easily focus on without having too much going on. But don’t focus on all 3 simultaneously.

Don’t look forward while swimming. Keep the eyes on the pool bottom below you. That should help to raise the legs which is huge, but also helps reduce drag from the water hitting you square in the face.Keep your elbows higher. This means, keep them closer to the surface of the water, right up there just a few inches below the surface.This is the BIG one. You are catching then pulling and your pull is almost done before the body rotation comes. You really, really want the body roll to start with, perhaps just before the pull. The cure for this is to focus a lot on catch-up swimming.

You’ve gotten plenty of good advice … especially about focusing on one thing at a time.

One very easy fix I see is your hands: hold them flat, like a paddle (or a salute). Currently, you’re cupping, sometimes even with the fingers spread wide.

Swim like this (www.swimsmooth.com) not like you are.

You can compare your self with their virtual swimmer but biggest points

  1. Eyes down you’re pretty balanced in the water but Maybe even a bit more weight on your chest.
  2. That kick has to go power through the kick isn’t very important so just try and kick lighter and shorter flutters you’re using your kick to rotate, which is it’s purpose but you also get some rotation from the force of your arm turnover. Not COMPLETELY from your kick, each time you pull your heel up like that it’s like hitting the brakes and you lose all that momentum. Kick from the hip only slightly bending the knees.
  3. Stop all that nonsense with the swirl your arm does just make that forearm as vertical as possible and catch some water bring it straight back. Focus on catch from the wrist and keep the elbow high.
    Good drill is to make your self do like a half stroke hard pull the first half of your normal stroke length and pull the elbow up and out of the water it should already be close, gets you used to keeping the elbow high.
    Your elbow right now is almost as deep as it will go, get that thing up there! When you do your catch from the wrist make it a point to bring your hand straight back and keep that bend from forearm to elbow ~90 degrees probably a bit more but about.

Any questions message me i have a few Cues that help me remember what to do.

Your stroke is very shortened and your arms are swinging in a circle due to dropping your elbow…you also look up too much…body balance is way off…kick is not congruent with your stroke…your palms do not stay perpendicular to the water as well.
1)patience get a set of fins and a finnis snorkel and practice body balance kicking looking straight down as if u have a tennis ball under your chin
2)Next rotate your body while keeping your balance in the water…BB with roll (arms at your side)
3)Practice kicking on the deep end with fins on, legs go straight back the power the knee forward followed by your pointed foot
4)Practice trying to keep your forarm vertical with elbows up high, drill early vertical forearm, also learn how to scull
5)I could go on…and on but I would try to get a technique swim coach to help you…