Creatine advice/thoughts

All,

One of my major limiters is muscular strength, endurance, & power. Because I’m not very strong, I’m prone to injury, relatively slow on the bike, and tend to cramp up at the end of the run in long races (1/2IM and Marathon).

To overcome this limiter, I’m spending extra time in the gym early in my season and throughout this year. Using Friel’s terms, I’m finishing up the AA portion of my strength program in two weeks and moving into the maximum strength phase, where I intend to spend the full recommended time trying to build up some muscle mass. My hope is that I can convert that raw muscle into race-specific performance later in my base 2-3 and build phases.

In order to get the most out of the maximum strength phase of the weight program, I’m considering using creatine. Have any of you used creatine as part of your strength programs, either for Tri or some other sport? Any recommendations for or against? Given that I’ll be doing base 1 kinds of workouts during this same time (low intensity) is there anything I should be concerned about with creatine? (Another thread mentioned dehydration, which I’m already careful about.)

Also, any recommendations out of the zillions of different formulations out there on the market? My instinct is just to go with pure creatine, but I see all kinds of mixtures of creatine + something else designed to enhance muscle development. Anyone like anything in particular?

Thanks for any advice!
Lee

I have used Creatine for a few years and believe it is a great supplement for weight training. I use micronized creatine from a company called AST. There must be hundreds on the market but I know people who work for AST and I am comfortable with the quality and their products. I think next to Protein, creatine is one of the fundamental supplements for weight training and building muscle. Also, you probably want to start on the low end of the dose, some people can get stomach problems if they take a high dose starting out.

Hope that helps

Hey Lee:

Cytomax makes a product called Pre Performace which eccentially has the same base as Cytomax but with protein and a big dose of creatine added. I find it works well for runs and rides of about 2-3 hours without hunger pangs or low-sugar bonks. It does improve (or at least i feel it does) power and ability to sustain longish periods of intense activity. Anything more and I go for Perpetuem by e-caps without creatine, of course.

Hope Jack Rabbit Sports is going well!

Todd

FYI, Dick Jochums, the swimming coach thinks its harmful…may cause cancer. There is a french medical study critical of creatine. But the critics, apparently, have been debunked by about everybody looking into it.

You will gain muscle on creatine. You will notice that in 2 weeks definitely. But you need to eat a bunch of protein, too. Start real slow with it. Use AST below. There’s a bunch of them now which come in powder form for a drink with Taurine or something, to speed up its transmision. I never had any luck with those. You can get AST at Drug E, or Walgreens, maybe GNC. Take it with water, one teaspoon. Drink a bunch of water with it. It will cause cramps and gastric discomfort if you take some on an empty stomach and start bouncing around on your bike or running—that’s been my experience. Try to eat a bunch of food, drink water or something heavy before you take it, like if you are using Whey Protein, just add the teaspoon to that. If I’m going your route, I’d go buy a bunch of Whey Protein, Creatine, and some Flaxseed Oil. Mix all that up twice a day, see if that helps.

FYI, there is an excellent forum about all of this at the below link
http://www.discussfitness.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7
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Although many people think the opposite, creatine is not directly responsible for building muscle. Creatine phosphate is the energy system your muscles use for quick immediate energy, before glyogen, oxidative etc… Therefore by taking a creatine supplement it is going to put more creatine in your muscles that will help with short quick bursts of strength. This allows you to possible lift a weight more times which in turn is going to give you gains in strength, hypertrophy, or power. Now the thought that you gain muscle in 2 weeks is not true at all. The weight you are gaining is water. Creatine draws more water into your muscles so when you take it as a supplement it retains more water causing you to gain weight and make your muscles feel “fuller”. If you are following Friels book closely than you should be doing approximately 6 reps per set for all of your “core” lifts. This is good, but make sure you arent doing 10-12 like many people do because this is the best way to gain muscle mass, which triathletes typically do not want. Also since supplements are not FDA certified it could contain anything in it they want so buy from a reputable company, I would pick the GNC brand, or look for a USP symbol, this is an individual lab that tests and certifies supplements. Hope this helps.

Greg

Creatine is not a supplement which adds water retention to your muscles. It creates ADP in your system and generates energy. Users lift more weight, and I’d say, although the research is not conclusive, I’d say you’d swim faster with it. It is a widely known route, if you start using creatine, the weightlifter will notice that he or she can lift more weight, which translates , over time, to the building of muscle, given that the gaining of muscle is most quickly accomplished by the gradual addition of weight to the exercise working on the muscle or muscles. Again, as has been debated here before, being bulky in my opinion would be an impediment to endurance based sports, like triathlons.

What is creatine?

Creatine is formed in the human body from the amino acids methionine, glycine and arginine. The average person’s body contains approximately 120 grams of creatine stored as creatine phosphate. Certain foods such as beef, herring and salmon, are fairly high in creatine. However, a person would have to eat pounds of these foods daily to equal what can be obtained in one teaspoon of powdered creatine.

Creatine is directly related to adenosine triphosphate (ATP). ATP is formed in the powerhouses of the cell, the mitochondria. ATP is often referred to as the “universal energy molecule” used by every cell in our bodies. An increase in oxidative stress coupled with a cell’s inability to produce essential energy molecules such as ATP, is a hallmark of the aging cell and is found in many disease states. Key factors in maintaining health are the ability to: (a) prevent mitochondrial damage to DNA caused by reactive oxygen species (ROS) and (b) prevent the decline in ATP synthesis, which reduces whole body ATP levels. It would appear that maintaining antioxidant status (in particular intra-cellular glutathione) and ATP levels are essential in fighting the aging process.

It is interesting to note that many of the most promising anti-aging nutrients such as CoQ10, NAD, acetyl-l-carnitine and lipoic acid are all taken to maintain the ability of the mitochondria to produce high energy compounds such as ATP and reduce oxidative stress. The ability of a cell to do work is directly related to its ATP status and the health of the mitochondria. Heart tissue, neurons in the brain and other highly active tissues are very sensitive to this system. Even small changes in ATP can have profound effects on the tissues’ ability to function properly. Of all the nutritional supplements available to us currently, creatine appears to be the most effective for maintaining or raising ATP levels.

How does creatine work?

In a nutshell, creatine works to help generate energy. When ATP loses a phosphate molecule and becomes adenosine diphosphate (ADP), it must be converted back to ATP to produce energy. Creatine is stored in the human body as creatine phosphate (CP) also called phosphocreatine. When ATP is depleted, it can be recharged by CP. That is, CP donates a phosphate molecule to the ADP, making it ATP again. An increased pool of CP means faster and greater recharging of ATP, which means more work can be performed. This is why creatine has been so successful for athletes. For short-duration explosive sports, such as sprinting, weight lifting and other anaerobic endeavors, ATP is the energy system used.

To date, research has shown that ingesting creatine can increase the total body pool of CP which leads to greater generation of energy for anaerobic forms of exercise, such as weight training and sprinting. Other effects of creatine may be increases in protein synthesis and increased cell hydration.

Creatine has had spotty results in affecting performance in endurance sports such as swimming, rowing and long distance running, with some studies showing no positive effects on performance in endurance athletes. Whether or not the failure of creatine to improve performance in endurance athletes was due to the nature of the sport or the design of the studies is still being debated.

Creatine can be found in the form of creatine monohydrate, creatine citrate, creatine phosphate, creatine-magnesium chelate and even liquid versions. However, the vast majority of research to date showing creatine to have positive effects on pathologies, muscle mass and performance used the monohydrate form. Creatine monohydrate is over 90% absorbable.

High creatine intake will not improve sustained power unless you have been using it to compliment a weight training program. In that case, creatine might help you to gain strength by allowing you to do one or two extra reps as it is used as an initial energy source.

If anything, it will make you a slower cyclist because it increase nonlean muscle mass by drawing water into your muscles. That assumes of course, that you actually are able to digest a creatine supplement. Between the drink that you mix it with, your salivia, and stomach acid, very little creatine will actually make it into your system before being broken down into creatinine.

Why not eat more red meat, it’s healthier and much more natural than an unregulated and highly processed supplement.

I used it several months before IM Aust. It does work, does bulk you up especially if you use it with HMBL (least i think that is what its called). Beware of side effects though for long term use…it may have been coincidence but i did develop kidney stones not long after several months use, which is a possible side effect.

cheers