No, we are not talking about Walt Frazer, we are talking about chubby triathletes.
I am 192 lbs and am considering gaining a fer pounds to get up to the clyde category. My questions are:
What is the weight that clydes have to be at minimum?
Do clydes qualify for Hawaii within the clyde grouping?
The weight minimum is 200lbs. I believe.
I don’t know about Hawaii.
At 210lbs I don’t consider myself chubby. :-8
Bassman
Is this a troll? Sure looks like it…
Anyway, if age-group racing doesn’t make sense for under 40 yo, Clyde is one of the most idiotic class ever to be thought off.
You want a category for larger people? Sure, impose a weight AND body fat %. On race day, at the weight in, a guy with a scale, calipers and a set of tables. Otherwise it’s plain ridiculous.
‘Large’ people complain about being discriminated against because of their weight, but here they walk right up and demand a special category because they are at a clear disadvantage in endurance sports.
It’s stupid and it’s wrong.
200 lbs. is the magic mendoza line for clydesdales, and no there isn’t a special classification for weight in Hawaii.
So at 210# with 7-10% body fat I am supposed to be competitive with an athlete 50# lighter?
Bassman
**So at 210# with 7-10% body fat I am supposed to be competitive with an athlete 50# lighter? **
No, anymore than I’m supposed to be competitive with talented athletes. Who says you have an expectation of being competitive? It’s a contest, and if you’re 210 lbs, like you, or if you lack athletic ability, like me, you’re not well suited to winning it. Deal with it.
some races have a 185-200 clyde category, but most 200. no clyde spots for Kona. why would you want to gain weight? I have been trying to get out of clyde category for years, I just cant get below 200lbs.
Thanks all for the quick reply - no IM entries for the clyde category - I guess I will stay with the age groupers.
Bassman: No offense intended with the chubby comment - 7-10% body fat - I wish I had that!
Freestyle: When you reach the legal age of voting and you prove you have some common sense, then you get an opinion.
So why the age group categories? Why shouldn’t the 60yo (not picking on them just an eg) compete with the 30-34 yo? Just make it rank order if the idea is ‘cant run with the small dogs stay on the porch’.
No one said anything about winning. I have no illusions or delusions of taking anyone’s Championship slots away. I just think for me (200+) it’s more fun and I feel a little more competitive racing against people in my weight range. What’s the point of racing if its not close. No one wants to see a blow out. Diesel trucks against WRX cars… no fun.
Bassman
No, for you it makes sense. 10% bf would be my limit. But tell me, do you like to compete in a category where people get fat in order to compete in?!
There was a good article in one of the mags a short while ago that gave mathematical formula showing why the big guy couldn’t beat the smaller one. Seemed to make sense to me. I’m a svelte 229 (and dropping) but most peole would be hard pressed to guess my weight within 20 lbs. Too many people mistake “heavy” with “fat”. In my opinion, there is a place for the category and we can choose to race in it or not. There is a series up here for it so if you choose to race against people your own size/weight, whats wrong with that and why do people get their noses out of joint about it?
Now, having said that, trying to gain weight to get into the category seems very wrong and extremely counter-productive to me. Seems to go against the whole idea of training your rear end off. But thats just my opinion and my wife let me say that! So there.
John
Biking and running is all about power/weight ratio. You should be thinking about how to lose weight not gain it.
If by get fat you mean some guy who weighs 180# ballooning up to 200# to compete in a clydesdale class bring it on. And if you mean a guy who normally weighs 193# and puts on 7# of muscle, fat, brain or bone. Bring that on too. I plan on being as fast as I can be at over 200#. Anyone that tips the scales over that is on my radar. Under that I guess I will leave them to you.
For me it gets down to getting my fire lit. I am a going to get a lot more intense if I see a guy my size lumber past me. It makes me think ‘what’s this guy do that I don’t’. Next training run, that guy is in my head, he is my rabbit. I see one of you whippets blow past me, does not really phase me. I could do intervals, hill runs or LSD till the cows come home and there is no way I could sustain a pace of an athlete 150#. From a efficiency standpoint me at 200# (15mpg) and another athlete 150# (25mpg) same size gas tank going the same speed. Who runs out of gas first?
It’s most noticeable in running for me. Partly b/c of my swimming background. My competitiveness (relative to a lighter athlete my age) degrades as the race goes on. Swim (no weight bearing) I do well, Bike (slight weight bearing) I hold my own, Run (weight bearing) I do what I can but the grey hounds are vicious.
Bassman or should it be Big B?
‘Large’ people complain about being discriminated against because of their weight, but here they walk right up and demand a special category because they are at a clear disadvantage in endurance sports.
It’s stupid and it’s wrong. _______________________________________________ Oh here we go again! Cant you search the last thread on this subject, its never ending. Why is it stupid and wrong? Its proven that the extra weight is a disadvantage on hills and running. And most clydes are born big and not fat. Clydesdales is just a little niche laid back group competing against each other not bothering your o so special world, we dont get Kona spots, we do it for fun, the commaraderie, (do you know what that is?). So what is the beef? What has a clydesdale division done to ruin your race? Why are there age groups? Why are there different categories in cycling? I compare it to sailing where they have different handicaps and categories depending on size, weight and type of boat to make racing fair and more competitive within the divisions. Clydes dont take anything away from your race. I’d rather not be a 210lbs but there is nothing I can do.
No, for you it makes sense. 10% bf would be my limit. But tell me, do you like to compete in a category where people get fat in order to compete in?!
Assumptions? Most people in Clydes class have been larger and lost weight because of triathlon. I was 240 at one time, now 210, wish I was 199. Have some sympathy for us common people! Not everyone can be blessed with perfect bodies, perfect minds in a perfect elitist world. Dont be the Man that brings us down. If you dont humor us the masses may revolt, and Clydes are big!
Well, don’t blame me, blame the people that get fat in order to compete Clyde!
If by get fat you mean some guy who weighs 180# ballooning up to 200# to compete in a clydesdale class bring it on. And if you mean a guy who normally weighs 193# and puts on 7# of muscle, fat, brain or bone. Bring that on too. I plan on being as fast as I can be at over 200#. Anyone that tips the scales over that is on my radar. Under that I guess I will leave them to you.
For me it gets down to getting my fire lit. I am a going to get a lot more intense if I see a guy my size lumber past me. It makes me think ‘what’s this guy do that I don’t’. Next training run, that guy is in my head, he is my rabbit. I see one of you whippets blow past me, does not really phase me. I could do intervals, hill runs or LSD till the cows come home and there is no way I could sustain a pace of an athlete 150#. From a efficiency standpoint me at 200# (15mpg) and another athlete 150# (25mpg) same size gas tank going the same speed. Who runs out of gas first?
It’s most noticeable in running for me. Partly b/c of my swimming background. My competitiveness (relative to a lighter athlete my age) degrades as the race goes on. Swim (no weight bearing) I do well, Bike (slight weight bearing) I hold my own, Run (weight bearing) I do what I can but the grey hounds are vicious.
Bassman or should it be Big B?
Oh, but so fun to pass the whippets on the bike(flat course)! But then they always pass me on the run.
Big B!
Bassman (Big B), I don’t disagree with you-Bring it on. I just can’t fathom the idea of GAINING weight to get there. How may threads are taken up by questions on ways and means to cut weight either on the bike or our bodies?
No offence to OCTrigeek, it just doesn’t seem logical or healthy to gain weight, hurting your performance in doing so, to get into a category. Seven pounds gained is seven pounds you have to drag with you the whole race. Put a rucksack on your back with seven pounds in it for your next race, leave it on the entire time and see how it affects your performace.
John
“Well, don’t blame me, blame the people that get fat in order to compete Clyde!”
You are so effin ignorant.