Clearwater Drafting Cheaters

I agree with the frustration in the massive amounts of cheating in Clearwater this past weekend. I was swallowed into some extremely dangerous packs several times on the bike. Which clearly made it difficult for me to compete at the level I compete at (female pro).

I love the fact that Triathlon (other than the draft legal races) is an individual sport. I’m proud to say I have kept it that way and can sleep well knowing so. I don’t think it’s a matter of others “not knowing” they cheated by drafting. I think it’s a matter of “everyone else is doing it, why shouldn’t I”. And, that’s justification?
Pathetic…If you drafted, you’re weak. If you point fingers, you’re in denial as to just how weak.

And Ambien - that stuff helps you sleep.

A marshall on a bike was yelling at our pack to break it up.

My question is…why just warnings from the refs?? We all know the rules…just start throwing out penalties like beads at a Mardi Gras parade. Of course people draft, because they know they are very likely to not get busted. If the officials start pulling over 100’s of riders, maybe the message will get across.

I heard some terrible things about this race. A lady I know crashed on the bike due to the huge amounts of groups drafting and shattered her pelvis, she’s in the hospital now. I just don’t get people sometimes. You’re only cheating yourself.

"I wonder what they will do next year to fix this. "

Here’s the first response I’ve seen to address the problems and provide some constructive input :0

"The race is the World Championship and WTC but on a GREAT event! Next year’s race will be even better - it will be much harder to qualify and if you are able to qualify, you will be able to race against the best athletes in the world. Z "

I wish when people had an agenda they’d simply state their agenda. It should be a requirement. Some even post it in their sigs. and that helps a little. But it’s rediculous and obvious when some have their “blinders” on. It really doesn’t help anybody. Except maybe your affiliation with those responsible for your agenda.

"You have to admit, if you were an honest guy, that that ride was awesome. Being honest to yourself and riding hard. Pulling people and not complaining and making great efforts to bridge the gap to the next group. I had a blast. I think adrenaline fuel a lot of that bike ride. I too was wasted 75% in. It wasn’t that fast of a bike course. This was the world championships. Everyone was hammering out there. Look at all the bad run times in 70-80 degree temps. "

Amen brother. I had a blast. I attacked every chance I got. Does this mean that Slowtwitchers will boycott 70.3 races becuase the drafting is just too much for them to handle? Man, I hope they boycott full IM’s too so it is easier for me to get in.

You people need to relax. You are all still MOP’ers (OK, most), so just chill and enjoy the races…if you are capable.

Clearwater is here to stay…and I think it was awesome!!

Sound familiar???

Sound familiar???

Damn straight, dude! Re-read my original post up top. It’s THE answer - drop back when passed and do NOT block. Problem solved. :wink:

Amen on that…a lot of angry little petty people out there…

You’re going to always find drafting on flat course triathlons, but the undisputable bottom line is that no other 70.3 has the depth of talent that Clearwater has. While there MOP’s who were blessed with a healthy roll down sucking on rear wheels, there many more strong athletes out there who have trained hard and deserved their bike splits this past Saturday. To dispute this hints of jealousy or just a desire to be argumentative or both.

I wonder about the mentality that considers disdain for cheating as “petty”. Reminds me of the steroids thread.

Never underestimate the power of rationalization.

"You have to admit, if you were an honest guy, that that ride was awesome. Being honest to yourself and riding hard. Pulling people and not complaining and making great efforts to bridge the gap to the next group. I had a blast. I think adrenaline fuel a lot of that bike ride. I too was wasted 75% in. It wasn’t that fast of a bike course. This was the world championships. Everyone was hammering out there. Look at all the bad run times in 70-80 degree temps. "

Amen brother. I had a blast. I attacked every chance I got. Does this mean that Slowtwitchers will boycott 70.3 races becuase the drafting is just too much for them to handle? Man, I hope they boycott full IM’s too so it is easier for me to get in.

You people need to relax. You are all still MOP’ers (OK, most), so just chill and enjoy the races…if you are capable.

Clearwater is here to stay…and I think it was awesome!!
I think these posts exemplify what I realized while racing- people now go to Clearwater to cheat. Everyone who cheated did so on purpose and I strongly believe that they fully intended to cheat the second they had the chance. Those of us there that have moral qualms with cheating just shouldn’t show up (also, those concerned with their safety- it was scary out there!). I guess I don’t see the point of cheating for a PR when it isn’t earned- what does it get you? It doesn’t say anything about your abilities as a triathlete, and unless you’re in it for money or something, what’s the point?

The field may be the fastest collective field out there, which is why many of us do the race, but when people post bike splits 10, 20, 30 some even 40 minutes faster than a month, or two or three ago…? Doesn’t this suggest something? If you can show me the training that must be put in to get those sort of gains. Some people averages miles per hour faster than their states winning 40K TT average and course aside that is crazy. Yes the course is flat and fast (though not as fast as people think, there are plenty of gradual hills/false flats and plenty of wind) but making such huge gains from previous performances this year would be amazing. The thing that pisses people off is many of us race for our own personal times as well as to win or finish well in our AG but when these amazing gains are posted, and when you are out there and see the packs for yourself it is frustrating. I consider myself a MOP swimmer, with a F/MOP bike, and a solid FOP run, but I don’t stand a chance in races where huge peletons are being formed. Not only does it better peoples bike times bt they are fresher for the run. It is not jealousy it is frustration because the course does not make you draft, it is your choice to cheat or not and it hurts the experience of honest racers. And judging from some of the response here some of the people were in those drafting groups while many more werent.

Every year, it’s the same thing. Minutes after IMFL and Clearwater are completed and in the books, the complaining begins.
Yet year after year nothing ever changes. Why should it? They fill up and or sell out. What motivation does IMNA have to change things having your money months in advance?

Simple solutions:

DON’T SIGN UP and if you do you don’t have any right to complain because you knew what you were getting into or better yet
everyone ban together and just don’t sign up. Money talks folks. It’s as simple as that. Unfortunately, most will cave in and sign up afraid of missing out on their beloved Kona dream and shelling out yet another 3K ( the cost of a trip to Hawaii) to be able to run down Alii drive and to say I qualified for Kona or $250 to validate their success by signing up for a poorly designed
watered down championship in Florida which is FOREVER tainted as Cheatwater.

Amen brother. I had a blast. I attacked every chance I got. Does this mean that Slowtwitchers will boycott 70.3 races becuase the drafting is just too much for them to handle? Man, I hope they boycott full IM’s too so it is easier for me to get in.

You people need to relax. You are all still MOP’ers (OK, most), so just chill and enjoy the races…if you are capable.

Clearwater is here to stay…and I think it was awesome!!

It had nothing to do with your racing capabilities but with wanting a fair race on the Championship for the series. I didn’t do Clearwater this year for health issues but I did last year and while I enjoyed the experience very much and the race organization was 1st class except of the bike, I agree with what Aztec said ; those who cheated justified their position by stating everyone is doing it, but in the end it was their choice.

Last year I can say I rode legal most of the time. Coming out of town it was difficult and I drafted for a few moments when getting into the high way as a pack was forming. Once on the highway it was easy to drop back from the group and ride legally. In fact I was constantly trying to get away from the packs because it was dangerous out there. 20-30 tri geeks with poor handling skills riding 25+ mph on a narrow lane, with traffic to the right (or left) and most on the aero bars, that was just an accident waiting to happen.

Anyway, I don’t feel I earned my bike split, I rode 10 min faster of my PR. Granted due to the great tail wind we got on the highway after the turn around and the legal drafting I could have ridden faster than my PR but prob no more than 5 min (+/-) specially given my power average.

This year one of my athletes who usually place at most big 70.3 races on her AG barely broke top 20. It was as bit upsetting to say the least because many of the girls that beat her had 25-30 min PRs on the bike. Many qualified to the WC just a few months ago on flatfish courses and rode a lot slower, but magically within 8 weeks of training they went faster than female pros!

Anyway, my athlete is not going to go back because she is disappointed with the cheaters. I am not going to go back after learning nothing has changed from last year to this year. Many athletes I know won’t go back or won’t consider taking their slot and go there for the 1st time until something changes there. Is that a boycott? Hardly, we are just a group of athletes who are disappointed as to how that aspect of the WC has become such a problme over the past years and until things change we’ll be happy to spend our time, energy and $$ somewhere else.

Some (many) of us enjoy racing the 70.3 distance and we don’t care for IM. For those of us knowing we can compete year around and go to the WC and test ourselves against some of the best athletes at that distance is what fuel our motivation/desire to do better. The 70.3 WC offers that opportunity and at the end of the day placing will be irrelevant, but you do want to compete and test yourself in a fair playground where we all play by the same rules. I don’t think it is unreasonable for us as athlete to have high expectations from WC for the series do you? I mean it IS the 70.3 WC and not your local small race. I am sure mnay athletes whether FOP to BOP will be happy to go to Clearwater and enoy those racing conditions so you are right the race is here to stay; although IMO it won’t necessarly continue to bring the best athletes (speed or integrity wise)

Just resurrecting this thread. 10 years later…same old shit!

But with pics!
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Clearwater_70.3_-_A_pictorial_RR_staring_qcassidy%2C_trigrrlpt%2C_Rappstar%2C_Desert_Dude_with_cameos_by_many_others_P1069875/?search_string=clearwater#p1069875

But with pics!
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Clearwater_70.3_-_A_pictorial_RR_staring_qcassidy%2C_trigrrlpt%2C_Rappstar%2C_Desert_Dude_with_cameos_by_many_others_P1069875/?search_string=clearwater#p1069875

QC and rapp look like babies!!

I call BS!

There WAS something you could do. You could follow the rules and drop back out of the draft zone when you’re passed. You said you tried to go off the front but that is only one of your two options.

At the end of the day, instead of riding smart (ie riding as a draft legal pack), you elected to ride outside the rules, and have tried to justify it to yourself.

Back when I raced, I swam ok, but I ride like shit. I get passed by literally, hundreds of people at IM. At first it’s good cyclists blasting past me. I don’t have to slow down to get out of the draft zone. They are out the front of the zone before I can blink.

As time goes on, slower and slower people pass me so it takes longer for them to get out the front of the draft zone. Guess what? I race clean. I slow down to drop out the back of the zone. Being an expert at getting passed, I have learned to be smart about it. I use that time to sit up briefly and drink, or eat or scratch my balls or whatever. Then I get aero again and go at the speed I can go. If a draft marshal sees me, they can see I’m taking reasonable steps to ride clean. I’ve been complimented by a draft marshal twice. I also got warned once for not slowing down enough and was considered drafting. I didn’t argue the point, I grabbed a touch of brake, slowed down microscopically and got the thumbs up from the marshal.

THAT’s what you could of done. Don’t try to convince yourself you’re doing all you can, you’re not. You aren’t following the rules, you’re a draft cheater. Take responsibility for your actions and start racing clean.

I call BS!

There WAS something you could do. You could follow the rules and drop back out of the draft zone when you’re passed. You said you tried to go off the front but that is only one of your two options.

At the end of the day, instead of riding smart (ie riding as a draft legal pack), you elected to ride outside the rules, and have tried to justify it to yourself. Curious if Shakeandbake will wait another 10 yrs before responding to your post…

I call BS!

There WAS something you could do. You could follow the rules and drop back out of the draft zone when you’re passed. You said you tried to go off the front but that is only one of your two options.

At the end of the day, instead of riding smart (ie riding as a draft legal pack), you elected to ride outside the rules, and have tried to justify it to yourself. Curious if Shakeandbake will wait another 10 yrs before responding to your post…

Sometimes I can have a bad hair day and go off half cocked. However, I get tired of people trying to claim victim status (there’s nothing I could do), when in fact there IS something, it just not palatable to them.

Recently I’ve made a few erroneous statements (due to mis-remembering something). Basically I’ve been too lazy to fact check and been wrong. While I don’t like doing it, I apologize for my mistake and thank the person for correcting me. I learn twice in those cases. 1. I learn the facts 2. I learn to fact check (or at least say something like IIRC, or some other ass covering comment).

I don’t think I’ll have to apologise to Shakeandbake however. :slight_smile: I simply point out there error (in knowing the rules and in their judgement). I’m not well known for calling a spade a shovel. (a spade is a spade and a cheater is a cheater)