No, we won’t.
One would hope what? That more guns, and more high capacity assault rifles in circulation will help the problem of school shooting.
Help me out here.
I agree. We know very little but are speculating much.
Yes. When the default position is defend the right to own guns everything else takes second place. It would be nice if people would be defending the right to not have to live in fear of being shot. Or their children be free of the tyranny of cell phones and social media.
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Wisconsin gun deer hunting statistics released | Articles | ehextra.com
At the publication time of this news release, the DNR reports only one nonfatal firearm-related hunting incident during the 2024 gun deer season.
Vernon County, Wheatland Township: On Nov. 29, 2024, at approximately 4 p.m., a 14-year-old male was sitting in an enclosed tower stand with his father, hunting on private property. The victim’s father heard what sounded like a gunshot in the distance. Shortly after, the victim felt pain in his feet and found that he was shot through both the left and right foot. The victim was transported privately to the hospital and received medical treatment for his injuries. The shooter has been identified, and an investigation is pending.
Several weeks before this senseless shooting approx 550,000 responsible gun owners went into the woods in WI to hunt deer over a 2 week period.
During that time there was exactly 1 non fatal accidental shooting.
these 550k are the type of people who are defending the right to own guns over “everything” because they understand if this horses ass father of a mentally unstable teen hadn’t provided the gun to someone 15 years old who glorified previous school shooters…“she” would most likely have found some other mentally unstable way to commit this same violence.
On the bright side, there is talk of a new constitutional convention. Since the public overwhelmingly supports increased gun regulations, I am sure the convention would rewrite the constitution to make it clear that more regulations should be allowed.
I hope you are therefore in full support of what is happening in some states, where the owner of the firearm used are being charged with crimes, since they are to blame for leaving a deadly weapon out for an unauthorized user to get a hold of it.
So if she had stolen the car keys and drove over somebody, should the car owner be charged?
If she had brought a kitchen knife to school and stabbed someone, should the parents be charged for leaving a knife out?
Apparently she was into marital arts. When my kids got black belts they were awarded katanas. If she had used a sword, or an axe, or a hammer…
I do agree however that guns need to be locked up and inaccessible to anyone too young to buy one, and not doing so should be considered at least reckless endangerment.
I am in support of that in concept. I’d have to read the law of the particular state prior to saying I am in “full support” of that “some states” particular law.
I think responsible gun owners should be fully responsible for their firearm at all times and should be responsible to suffer the consequences if that firearm is used in the wrong way. That includes “accidents” like the one described in my OP on this subject
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another poster who snips a half a sentence out of a post and tried to be cute thereby proving how irrelevant they really are to an actual conversation
when you address the 553k hunters with 1 accident I’ll consider responding to you again. Until then, clown elsewhere
by the way, had this person survived, the very first thing the soft on crime Dane County DA would have done was drop any gun charge as part of a plea deal,
So, I fully support us having laws governing fire arms on the books. I even more fully support having the laws we already have which are plenty strong enough to deter anyone even reasonably responsible enforced.
If the people who enforce the laws see gun charges as the first thing to drop as part of pleading out a case I have a hard time understanding why more gun laws or bans will help.
Quite a few countries have many hunting rifles and hunters, with few accidents. The US might be one of those countries.
Few countries have the amount of non-hunting guns etc. available for non-hunters as the US. The US has much higher gun violence than most other countries.
Based on the above I claim that the amount of hunters and hunting rifles has little impact on gun violence. It is unrelated, not interesting in the discussion. Data indicates it is the easy access to guns for the public that is the root cause. But this is a conclusion the US refuses to draw.
Did that make it clearer?
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Oh you were clear the first time trust me
Not interesting to the discussion is an interesting term. If you’d like to tell me how you’re going to affect access to guns without affecting those who are not interesting to your discussion I’m all ears
I’m happy to restrict access to those who you’ve decided are only interesting to the discussion. Those that you know will use them to commit violence
I’d start by enforcing the laws we already have. But right now we have prosecutors who won’t enforce most laws (unless your name is Trump then we will come up with new laws and statute of limits) let alone enforce gun laws. How about you? Do you agree we should enforce the laws we have to the letter of the law before we start worrying about the next measure to put in place just for those who this is interesting for?
Or should we just post another Onion headline and be smug
And I really get that all the “other” countries have plenty of hunters and guns but not the access problem that’s “interesting”
Between now and when we solve the problem in the US (the interesting one that doesn’t include hunters and responsible gun owners) I suggest all the “interesting” gun owners and those who think this problem is solvable with a pithy bumper sticker from the Onion go hang out in one of those countries that overall are so much better to live in than the US. And by all means don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, interesting group. Us uninterestings will stay here and be responsible with our firearms
Meantime you continue to ignore the 553k responsible firearm holders in WI who are not interesting (and by not interesting you mean shoot a large hole right in the middle of your philosophy) and focus on the 1 15 year old who should have nvever had one in the first place
Is that clear?
The hunting argument is kinda a strawman. I don’t think people are worried about being shot in a hunting accident. Handguns and semi automatic rifles with high capacity magazines.
Unless you hunt with Dick Cheney.
Not saying that gun laws aren’t important, but can we also say that anyone promoting Nazi rhetoric IS a Nazi, and anyone promoting Fascist ideals IS a Fascist, and label them both under some sort of Hate Crime laws?
You can see where I’m taking this, regarding Mango Mussolini
Just a thought
A husband of one of my colleagues used to take a vacation every year to guide for a bird hunting outfit but stopped around that time because of all the newbie hunters who were making it too dangerous.
There was nothing snipped/omitted from that Onion quote.
It’s been used 83 times this year, for the 83 reported school shootings in 2024.
I’m with you that a one dimensional view of this isn’t instructive. More Canadians hunt than Americans (proportionally), and they don’t have this problem.
To me the obvious problem is the insanity of a certain element of the gun culture in the United States. I think it does beyond the people who “love” guns. It’s the people who blur the line between loving guns and loving violence.