They still sell it, just not listed, you have to ask them directly…
“The tri spoke front wheel((WRTRI-01, Pro-3 tri spoke front wheel 700C rim brake, 27mm wide/69mm deep, clincher tubeless compatible, ud matte, with Grooved Graphene surface, standard version, Powerway R13 hub front, 100mm*QR No decal) cost USD440/each, 3-year warranty”
Also there are plenty of the Ineos princeton works trispoke clones appearing too in Aliexpress, in the $350-$650 bracket…
That being said the tri-spoke in the picture doesn’t really have the same issues as the HED. The HED has a 50mm rim section with spokes that are nearly as wide as the rim. The newer trispokes have a 75mm section and the spokes are very narrow where they connect to the rim. So basically the spoke section is already in a quite wide section of the fork and the narrowness means the “Air Damming” effect, for lack of a better term, is minimal. FWIW, It’s the fastest wheel I’ve personally field tested.
It doesn’t seem as if Light Bicycle makes that Tri spoke anymore (or at least right now). Is this wheel from FarSports the same thing? I noted the FarSports depth is quoted at 58mm, which seems a bit slim.
https://www.wheelsfar.com/...her-wheel-p0173.html
When you say that the Light Bicycle wheel was the fastest you’ve field tested, curious if other testing includes the Caden or Troika wheels? I’m looking at any/all carbon spoked wheels for a rim brake front wheel (because I like how they look). I started with the Cadex four spoke, but the hub on the one that was sent to me was complete garbage, had to send back. Struggling with the lack of data on these … Caden is indicatively fast because Bingham used to use it and the Shimano Pro it’s based off is known to be fast. The Princeton wheel is indicatively fast because Ineos uses it, but they have an unreleased version already that includes a massive hub like the Troika and is presumably better. The only wind tunnel data I can find is the Troika posted already in this thread, just seems okay compared to their own super deep spoked wheel. My guess is the watt spread on all of them is very low.
As others have said, Velosa has it on Ali and it’s solid. I can’t remember where I got mine, but it the same mold that everyone is using. The trispoke LB developed disapeared with their last disc wheel. Theres a new disc wheel but no trispoke. I got a Princeton trispoke copy just to see how it goes.
I got a Princeton trispoke copy just to see how it goes.
I’ve been thinking about getting it too but I feel like light front wheel feels faster than heavier ones so I decided not to get it. It’s thick and looks heavy. Please keep us posted once you try it.
I actually got to check out and hold the real Princeton Carbonworks version at a local bike shop last week. I was impressed with just how light it felt. Honestly I’d be more concerned about how it handles in crosswinds than weight.
The Farsports is not the same. The light bicycle/ revolver is 69mm deep, but it’s also 30mm wide! Great in the wind. I got mine two years ago from velosa on ali. It’s still available today for only 6% more than what I paid, it’s a steal. I did get a disc at the same time as the trispoke. I also recently bought a 5 spoke from them. Everything has been top notch.
Thank you for the info
I went to Ali but I see 3 different 3 spoke wheels by velosa
Do you have a link please?
This one https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOl1oKc
I was able to place an order for this tri-spoke directly from Light Bicycle, was $410 + shipping/etc = $480. I learned in the process it uses a Novatec hub with SKF bearings. Is consistent with the cost/price, but definitely not a high-end product. I recently got an aero sensor, so will have fun testing this against a couple other wheels I have. Still considering the Revo Troika or the Princeton wheels, which are going to be a much nicer hub/bearing and perhaps marginally more aero, but the price of these is obviously a little high, especially since I’m after a rim brake wheel (can’t imagine there are more than zero people buying brand new $2k+ rim brake wheels these days).
Has anyone outside Ineos been able to test this wheel yet?
Also, what do you think about Princeton Carbon Mach 7850 TS? I think to build disc brake TT/TRI bike and thought to get this one but could not find any aero test.
Mach 7580 TS – Princeton CarbonWorks
Ordered a replica but appears will hit the Aliexpress “auto refund†time window due to vendor not shipping it in time. If they do I’ll try other vendor.
When I ordered my Troika replica I recall same thing happening and then it shipped on like THE last day before refund.
If one comes, I can outdoor test at 28mph. Not enough legs for testing at 30mph.
If one comes, I can outdoor test at 28mph. Not enough legs for testing at 30mph.
Only 28mph?! Why bother, completely useless.
Mostly out of curiosity, don’t think I’m interested in buying AliExpress wheels, but is the general belief about these knock offs that they are the same wheel, from the same factory, just without the branding? Or they’re some other factory just copying an existing product? (and its unknown how well they copy it).
FWIW re:Princeton aero … I did ask them directly if they had any aero testing they could share. They said no, but did tell me that Ineos tested against AeroCoach Titan, the spoked 7580 and the spoked 9590 and are using the tri spoke. They also said the updated version of the wheel with the TroikaMax style hub that was showed off in the TDF is not near being offered for sale. I don’t think the fact that Ineos chose the tri-spoke over the Titan is a definitive nod to the tri-spoke though, the Titan is built around a specific tire, and maybe doesn’t show as well with the tire Ineos wanted to run. It’s also interesting that Princeton has moved towards that TroikaMax type design, which possibly indicates the TroikaMax is better already. Who knows?
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $319.20 20ï¼… Off | New arrived oem weave carbon 3 spoke tri wheel 28mm width 70mm depth light weight triangle shape road disc/v brake track bicycle
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOg2gM0
I was asking to extend the shipping day back 10 days. I’m okay to do that as if it doesn’t arrive I can go to my CC company.
If one comes, I can outdoor test at 28mph. Not enough legs for testing at 30mph.
Only 28mph?! Why bother, completely useless.
Mostly out of curiosity, don’t think I’m interested in buying AliExpress wheels, but is the general belief about these knock offs that they are the same wheel, from the same factory, just without the branding? Or they’re some other factory just copying an existing product? (and its unknown how well they copy it).
FWIW re:Princeton aero … I did ask them directly if they had any aero testing they could share. They said no, but did tell me that Ineos tested against AeroCoach Titan, the spoked 7580 and the spoked 9590 and are using the tri spoke. They also said the updated version of the wheel with the TroikaMax style hub that was showed off in the TDF is not near being offered for sale. I don’t think the fact that Ineos chose the tri-spoke over the Titan is a definitive nod to the tri-spoke though, the Titan is built around a specific tire, and maybe doesn’t show as well with the tire Ineos wanted to run. It’s also interesting that Princeton has moved towards that TroikaMax type design, which possibly indicates the TroikaMax is better already. Who knows?
I was asking to extend the shipping day back 10 days. I’m okay to do that as if it doesn’t arrive I can go to my CC company.
Good idea. I may try that. I figure they probably save money batching the hell out of their operations versus instant single order fulfill.
Also consider who the end user is…the worlds best riders. I imagine that could possibly skew test results towards one specific wheel when in reality us slower mortals may not see the same benefits?
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $319.20 20ï¼… Off | New arrived oem weave carbon 3 spoke tri wheel 28mm width 70mm depth light weight triangle shape road disc/v brake track bicycle
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOg2gM0
I thought it was an exact copy but actually it’s not. Valve stem is right in the middle of two spokes on Princeton CarbonWorks Mach 7580, but it’s right next to one of the spokes on this Aliexpress wheel. Not a big deal. Just an observation.
It’s extremely unlikely that they’re the same wheel from the same factory IMO. Much more likely someone is able to get their hands on the mold design and make their own that way with unknown layups, or they get their hands on one of the wheels themselves and use it to reverse engineer a mold. My memory is often imperfect, but I want to say I listened to an episode of the Nero show podcast where they talked about this with the guy behind the china cycling YouTube channel, and what he said is what I said about the molds, as the mold makers don’t have exclusive contracts but the wheel makers can’t just make extra wheels and sell them as their own.
PCW has the TroikaMax style wheel as a track special only.
When I talked with them in the past they said they would do stuff in batches if people were on board. I don’t recall what the number was though.
That’s how PCW’s spinoff P1 Race Technologies started. People were asking for a MTN Bike XC variant, they creating a batch for a limited number of buyers and for Pidcock during MTB XC Worlds. There was a soft launch a couple weeks after. With a formal launch around the Paris Olympics.
Very cool! As always, thank you for the insight!
They shipped mine today, on last day of the Ali shipping window.
Exciting to have something to get the testing kit back out for. Been mothballed for a bit. I’ll put the GP5000 TdF TT tires on it.
Now need to get rid of the “error 404, legs not found” part of the TT problem.
That’s the new rim shape. Numbers pretty impressive on the new 6560’s, but the older ones were only 26mm wide so it may be a little be skewed.
PCW has the TroikaMax style wheel as a track special only.
When I talked with them in the past they said they would do stuff in batches if people were on board. I don’t recall what the number was though.
That’s how PCW’s spinoff P1 Race Technologies started. People were asking for a MTN Bike XC variant, they creating a batch for a limited number of buyers and for Pidcock during MTB XC Worlds. There was a soft launch a couple weeks after. With a formal launch around the Paris Olympics.
Versus: gotta swap tires to be fair but you get idea
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Nice, I’m having a hard time seeing the tire interaction in that last picture. But the one on the “Princeton†is perfect
Nice, I’m having a hard time seeing the tire interaction in that last picture. But the one on the “Princeton†is perfect
The “aero moulding†on the gp5000 TT TdF also seems like it’s in an intentional different spot versus a normal gp5000. I wonder of there is magic there.
I feel the PCW idea is to optimize the “not a front disc†rule of open area with the big trispokes. Like having a front disc without all the issues one would bring.