Cassette worn out

Just got my roadie back from the shop. It was in for a tuneup which always seem to be more expensive then the advertised price, because somehow bikes always need new parts. This time they’re saying my cassette needs to be replaced in order to tune the rear derailleur. Else the mechanic can’t do it properly. They say the shift ramps are pretty worn, which the cassettes been through about 6000 miles. I’m not sure though why the mechanic couldn’t tune it pretty closely even with the worn ramps. Maybe the cassette does need to be replaced but by my eyes it’s still in rather good shape.

Is the shop just creating an excuse to sell something here? Ebay is much cheaper and I will buy the cassette there if it does need to be replaced, and replace it myself to avoid their 20 dollar cassette change fee.

If the ramps are indeed worn, it’ll never shift like its supposed to. Why pay for a tune up thats “pretty close” just to avoid buying a cassette? Mileage will depend on lots of factors, do you cross-gear, do you replace your chain when needed, etc. Could be you have a mechanic that doesn’t want to do a half-assed job with worn parts. In that case, why not support the guy?

If you really don’t trust him then you need to find someone you do trust or learn how to do it yourself.

Hilarious post dude! Are you for real? Why did you take it in to the shop if everything was working well? So are they supposed to give you a new cassette for free and not charge you for any labor…what exactly did you expect? It sounds like you think you can do it yourself anyway, so why again did you take it to a bike shop? We obviously can’t know what’s wrong with your bike without seeing it in person. Next time, why don’t you go to the shop with your ST bike service consultant holding your hand to make sure you don’t get screwed over. And also, don’t forget to bring your lawyer so you can sue the shop if they overcharge you.

Isn’t that “whine like a little beeotch” thread still around !

If you scroll down on this link, talks about it
http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html
6000 miles definetly could wear down a cassette. What type (ultegra ect) what it made out of (titanium wears faster) maintainance and has the chin been changed before. Wih that said, you should not be being charged $20.00 for a cassette change. If your a regular visitor at the shop I am surprised that a cassette swap would not be free or 5 bucks. Takes about 2 minutes

Hilarious post dude! Are you for real? Why did you take it in to the shop if everything was working well? So are they supposed to give you a new cassette for free and not charge you for any labor…what exactly did you expect? It sounds like you think you can do it yourself anyway, so why again did you take it to a bike shop? We obviously can’t know what’s wrong with your bike without seeing it in person. Next time, why don’t you go to the shop with your ST bike service consultant holding your hand to make sure you don’t get screwed over. And also, don’t forget to bring your lawyer so you can sue the shop if they overcharge you.

Isn’t that “whine like a little beeotch” thread still around !

I always bring it in for tunes, and not everything was working well. The shifting went out almost immediately. If the cassette were indeed worn out I think it would go out gradually.

Edit: I also saw that whole don’t get screwed over part. Which is exactly what I’m trying to avoid. Maybe for you money is everywhere, but I like to hold onto mine as long as I can.

Your not getting much love on your post. I don’t know why the harshness…

Anyway, a cassette can’t really be “looked at” to say its bad. You know it’s bad when it skips the chain under load, or you can’t get the derailleur to adjust properly. Have the shop put a cassette on and if it doesn’t change anything… Throw the cassette on the classifieds and put your old one back on your bike.

I always bring it in for tunes, and not everything was working well. The shifting went out almost immediately. If the cassette were indeed worn out I think it would go out gradually.

Edit: I also saw that whole don’t get screwed over part. Which is exactly what I’m trying to avoid. Maybe for you money is everywhere, but I like to hold onto mine as long as I can.

IMHO of course … any self-respecting cyclist who logs more than a couple thousand miles per year should learn how to do basic maintenance. You should never need to take the bike in to the shop for a “tune up”. Bigger problems yes, but basic stuff, no. That will let you hold on to even more money.

I am not particularly mechanically inclined, so I figure if I can learn it most anyone can. Anyone can learn to:

  • replace a cassette
  • replace a chain
  • replace cables
  • adjust front and rear der
  • change a bottom bracket and crank
  • adjust a headset
  • wrap bar tape
  • replace brake pads

that pretty much covers anything they would do for a “tune up”

Regarding chains and cassettes … I usually replace the chain in spring, and then again mid-summer. I don’t throw out a cassette until I put on a new chain and it skips. On my winter bike I ride the same chain/cassette combo until it gets really bad. Then replace both together.

Two chains per year. Hpw much you riding?

If you can stomach riding 105 they will last forever and then some compared to the titanium models. I do realize some people complain it’s noisier, but honestly I can’t hear that stuff when at speed.

You can buy a 105 cassette and chain x 3 for the cost of a single Dura Ace cassette:)

If you live in or around Tampa, FL I’d be happy to show you basic wrenching skills so you can get yourself a bit more self sufficient.

Ride safely!

I ride pretty much every day (commuting, training and racing,or participating as I like to call it).
I am a mechanical engineer when I’m not on my bikes.
I do virtually all my own maintenance. I think just about everyone should do their own maintenance. I used to hold bike maintenance courses for friends and newbies. They too found out how easy it was to do maintenance. Not all of them do their own maintenance, but they all know a lot more than when they started and are able to at least talk to the bike store mechanic a lot more intelligently about their bikes.

bike maintenance is required when you ride your bike. How much maintenance is required is determined by how much you ride. The conditions you ride in, are the other major factor. If you ride in a wet, salt spray enviroment all winter, you will need to clean and lube your bike, plus probably replace drive train components more often than say an Arizona rider.

From my experience, I replace my chain on my commuter bike about every 6 months. I replace the cassette every year. That’s about 12,000km or about 8,000 miles. My race bike gets slightly better attention, but since it gets ridden less, the chain etc gets replace less often (in years, but more often in miles)

IF someone is taking their bike to a store to get tuned up, then it should get tuned up to the best possible with whatever stuff is on the bike. If stuff needs replacing, at least according to the store, then the mechanic should make the call to see if they are allowed to replace a given part.

Some time ago, probably the last time I took my bike to a store for a tune up, they were of the opinion that my front deraillieur needed replacing, so they replaced it. I found this hard to believe as I never actually used the front deraillieur on that bike! I had a suitable sized small chainring, that for my commuting, I never needed the big ring. Firstly, they changed it without notifying me. Secondly they swapped out an Ultegra deraillieur for a freakin Sora one! Why? That’s all they had! Then when I complained and said I wanted the old one back on (as I never used it) they said it was already gone. I said I at least wanted an Ultegra one back on, they wanted to charge me to install the Sora one, charge me to take it back off and then charge me retail for an Ultegra one and pay to have that put on. FK that I said. I took the Sora one off, in the store and took my bike away without a deraillieur. I then bought a new Ultegra one, put it on and ultimately transferred it to my latest bike, where it also virtually never gets used.

The bike store should have called first, and they should have in the case of the original poster as well. Just because the bike store doesn’t think it’s a lot of money, many of us do think parts are expensive enough to warrant careful consideration and careful purchasing.

FWIW I now do arguably all my own wrenching and bike stores are just a source of parts when I need them. Generally I get my parts online, as the LBS’s here seem to take a week to deliver, and I don’t think I’ve ever had a call when my parts do actually arrive, even tho every store *claims *they will call. I hate supporting my local bike stores, because without at doubt, they provide crappy service! I think they only stay in business because they sell pink trikes with white tires and tassles to the kids of the affluent around here.

Two chains per year. Hpw much you riding?

approx 10k miles/yr. But it’s less than 5k/chain because the winter bike gets ridden Dec-Mar. For that bike I usually take an old chain and old cassette from the race bike and use it to ride in the crap. Also the TT bike takes a few miles from the road bike.

It seems to be about right, b/c when I take the chain off and line it up with the new one, the old one is ‘stretched’ sufficiently. I watch for chains to go on sale, then stock up. Then the cassettes last quite a while.

Don’t doubt you, just curious
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My current thought process behind not replacing it is that I’ll ride it on my trainer, who cares if it can’t shift on the trainer. Then come january take it to a different store, get another opinion and if they say it needs to be replaced I’ll do it. But I will take off the cassette and put one on. Same with the chain.

I do most of all of my own wrenching but I like to take it in for tune-ups for a second glance at my work. IMO a bikes very expensive investment so I might as well have a professional look at it. Since I purchased the bike at this shop they give me the basic tune for free and the expert for 35 dollars, which includes removing the drive train and cleaning it in solvent etc, and includes a bottom bracket overhaul.

I am not going to spite you for getting a tune up at your local shop because not EVERYONE feels comfortable wrenching on their investment nor does everyone have the time or knowledge to work on their own bikes… just saying.

However, if you are seeking the expertise of a LBS mechanic to work on your bike rather than working on it yourself then why would you question his advice? I know that our mechanic wouldn’t continue to tune up your bike if you were unwilling to replace the parts that he said needed to be replaced because the quality of his work is not only our reputation it’s his too. There is no tuning a bike to “almost” in our shop, its either you agree to replace the worn part (even more so when its a safety issue) or you come and pick it up and take it home. period.

The only thing I would def question is the cassette install charge if they are ordering the part for you… if your going to buy it on the internet and bring it in for them to install then of course your going to pay the top rung labor charge because they are getting zero margin on the part. Mechanics are usually the highest paid person in a bike shop so the LBS has to cover their wages whether you buy a part from them or not.

~LBB

Your not getting much love on your post. I don’t know why the harshness…

Anyway, a cassette can’t really be “looked at” to say its bad. You know it’s bad when it skips the chain under load, or you can’t get the derailleur to adjust properly. Have the shop put a cassette on and if it doesn’t change anything… Throw the cassette on the classifieds and put your old one back on your bike.

Yes, it can be looked at to say it is bad. The teeth should have a symmetric shape, and when worn they display a “shark tooth” profile. A cassette can be worn and not skip if the chain, too, is worn to match; a chain can skip with a brand new cassette if the chain is worn. Of course, one should measure the chain to see if it is worn.

You don’t just swap cassettes and chains to see if anything changes.

Yes, it can be looked at to say it is bad. The teeth should have a symmetric shape, and when worn they display a “shark tooth” profile. A cassette can be worn and not skip if the chain, too, is worn to match; a chain can skip with a brand new cassette if the chain is worn. Of course, one should measure the chain to see if it is worn.

You don’t just swap cassettes and chains to see if anything changes.

I bet you would develop issues before the cassette got that bad. I had cassettes that I put calipers on to measure the gap tooth to tooth. Barely noticed anything, yet the cassette rode crappy under load. Yes, tooth wear is an obvious sign… my post was to say hat the shop may not be wrong because it may not always be obvious.

Got to agree with this point about 105. I replace my chain about every 5000km a bit less if there has been a lot of salt on the roads. Last time I came to change it the shop didn’t have an Ultegra or Dura Ace chain in stock and so I took a 105 to see how it went. Must say so far it looks like it will last a hell of a lot longer than the Ultegra versions. Can’t comment on how much wear I get out of cassettes as I am for ever swapping them around wheelsets but I would expect to get about 8000km to 10000km before I would see real issues with changing.

I agree , I do all the below except wrap bar tape. When I wrap a bar it looks like it was done by a pre-schooler
so that is when it goes into the shop…

A few months ago, I was due for new bar tape and took it for tape, and asked them to put on fresh cables while
I was at it. When I went back to pick it up I was presented with a bill for $110 (including the $25 for fancy tape I chose).
As it is the LBS, I know the owner and he supports the local race teams , I paid up… but I decided to learn how to tape
my bars next year.

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I replace individual cogs on my cassettes. Usually only a few are worn. Does that make me a really cheap bastard?

I replace individual cogs on my cassettes. Usually only a few are worn. Does that make me a really cheap bastard?

I’ve replaced my 11-tooth cog 6 times. And that’s just this season.