I find it funny, with this “beefy” bike look and oversized tubes, the riders seems rather small and tiny compared to the bike. I think that small athletes might look weird on this bike, as if they have a frame that is too big for them.
Based on the GTN video the straw inside the bladder seems to be rigid, which will make it decently easy to put in IMO.
What power meter does the disc model come with? I don’t see it listed in the components section.
Bike radar lists it as 4iiii, or SRAM/quarq on the SRAM models.
Bike radar also lists the crank lengths I was looking for,
XS 165
S and M 170
L 172.5
XL 175
Shorter, but arguably not short enough.
For a good marketing company the website is short on details. No PM type mentioned or information on the crank to include length. Also it shows other colors on the landing page but you can’t order those colors. Silly to show what I guess is custom colors and not be able to buy them.
What power meter does the disc model come with? I don’t see it listed in the components section.
Bike radar lists it as 4iiii, or SRAM/quarq on the SRAM models.
Bike radar also lists the crank lengths I was looking for,
XS 165
S and M 170
L 172.5
XL 175
Shorter, but arguably not short enough.
For a good marketing company the website is short on details. No PM type mentioned or information on the crank to include length. Also it shows other colors on the landing page but you can’t order those colors. Silly to show what I guess is custom colors and not be able to buy them.
Yes, all seems a bit rushed.
Just finished watching GTNs video as well as Lionel video. Must say I am impressed. They’ve addressed all the storage/toolkit/hydration issues all while making the frame decently faster (I think they quoted 9 watts?) for me this is a much better looking frame than the Scott and allows for narrow arm position which the new Scott did not (bento box between arms in the way). Could be my next Superbike if my questions below get answers!
Couple concerns I have are:
- Are there options to choose different crank lengths during purchase? I think the trend now is towards shorter cranks and the ones posted aren’t short enough.
- I need to see how easy it is to remove and refill the bladder. That looks like a nightmare if you get it wrong and are filling it with anything that is not pure water.
- Any options for 3rd party bar extensions or are we locked into the canyon specific one?
- Need more clarity on the tilt options for the bars. I noticed immediately that Lionel high hands position on previous speedmax changed to flat due to possible lack of adjustability. During press conference in GTN video the boys from canyon said “and this spacer gives 13 to 14 degrees tilt” then mentioned something about 30 degrees but didn’t show that spacer.
- Needs more clarity on reach adjustment. Can more be achieved with aftermarket pads or are we limited to the ergon pads.
Very excited about the new specific traveling bag!
Interesting take on the bladder. These are probably things that people don’t notice until they’ve owned the bike for a while and are never really covered in reviews. It would be interesting to see how much can fit inside the bento. I like having cliff bars with me and not sure they would fit. Hence the open-ness of the Speed Concepts bento is nice. Though I have lost gels and things when hitting a bump…
Yeah but that’s a bento problem, not a bike problem. One can always find a better bento if you need one that’s larger, smaller, more secure, etc. To that end I think the monopost should have been wider, deeper, and snug up close to where one might mount a conventional bento. That’s just my $0.02. Canyon’s solution definitely looks clean.
Not saying it’s ugly…but this thing doesn’t give me “German” vibes. It looks like an amalgamation of a bunch of other bikes and honestly screams open mold to be honest.
Noticed another bike with internal hydration!
…I wonder what Specialized is doing with their patent
Based on the GTN video the straw inside the bladder seems to be rigid, which will make it decently easy to put in IMO.
I still very much have my doubts…
Why do people think it needs to be standard to have Disc brakes on a TT bike lol? Either way I look forward to buying one of these that has been ridden twice for half price next offseason.
Just finished watching GTNs video as well as Lionel video. Must say I am impressed. They’ve addressed all the storage/toolkit/hydration issues all while making the frame decently faster (I think they quoted 9 watts?) for me this is a much better looking frame than the Scott and allows for narrow arm position which the new Scott did not (bento box between arms in the way). Could be my next Superbike if my questions below get answers!
Couple concerns I have are:
- Are there options to choose different crank lengths during purchase? I think the trend now is towards shorter cranks and the ones posted aren’t short enough.
- I need to see how easy it is to remove and refill the bladder. That looks like a nightmare if you get it wrong and are filling it with anything that is not pure water.
- Any options for 3rd party bar extensions or are we locked into the canyon specific one?
- Need more clarity on the tilt options for the bars. I noticed immediately that Lionel high hands position on previous speedmax changed to flat due to possible lack of adjustability. During press conference in GTN video the boys from canyon said “and this spacer gives 13 to 14 degrees tilt” then mentioned something about 30 degrees but didn’t show that spacer.
- Needs more clarity on reach adjustment. Can more be achieved with aftermarket pads or are we limited to the ergon pads.
Very excited about the new specific traveling bag!
If you look at Jan’s in the GTN video he has custom extensions.
Parts of it remind me of the CUBE TT bike…the BB & top tube sorta look similar.
In the Lionel video…the bladder has an easy refill spot.
Could use some work on the paint job generally, however this is already growing on me. The Shiv took forever for me to be about, not really into the sail still, but it’s not as bad anymore.
Interesting take on the bladder. These are probably things that people don’t notice until they’ve owned the bike for a while and are never really covered in reviews. It would be interesting to see how much can fit inside the bento. I like having cliff bars with me and not sure they would fit. Hence the open-ness of the Speed Concepts bento is nice. Though I have lost gels and things when hitting a bump…
Yeah but that’s a bento problem, not a bike problem. One can always find a better bento if you need one that’s larger, smaller, more secure, etc. To that end I think the monopost should have been wider, deeper, and snug up close to where one might mount a conventional bento. That’s just my $0.02. Canyon’s solution definitely looks clean.
If you want a bigger bento, the CF is a great solution I would think? Not sure why they would go to all these lengths to make a bike more integrated then make it thicker and more aero and give add on solutions.
But no bike is a perfect solution for everyone, obviously. But I would think the CF with some changes could be super slick as well. Complete with bento changing capability.
I’m a little unhappy with the front end. It’s just a little… beefy. I also don’t like the spacers for angling the extensions. I think the tilt system at the axis of the pads is a much better way to go than at the grip handles alone as this bike has. The big scoop-style arm pads that are an add on for the future are interesting, but for $8000 from a DTC brand like Canyon, I don’t want to buy ANYTHING else after spending almost as much (or more) than competitors. It’s a bit heavy, a bit fat looking, and not exactly innovative on the fit adjustability. I think the standard for front ends is the TriRig Alpha X at this point, and anything new (since that bar came out), should be as good or better. That does not appear to be the case to me here. The new Orbea is better looking and cheaper, with what looks like better adjustability, and the new Scott’s weirdness and chunkiness look like the winner between it and the more bland Canyon, to me. Ultimately, it’s a little disappointing to me. I like it, I’d ride it, but I wouldn’t buy it over the other stuff on the market at that price. A QR PRSix disc with a TriRig bar or the Orbea outright are the winners in value/looks to me at the moment.
9-10 watts faster than the old Speedmax is impressive. Though I’m not sure we ever really had a clear picture of where the old Speedmax was compared to the Speed Concept, P5, etc.
Tour Magazin did a comparative test
Digitising their numbers and plugging into Kona course model for a 4hr rider (45kph) puts the old Speedmax 12w behind the P5-Three rim brake.
So 9-10w improvement means Canyon are now into the range of the top flight bikes.
In frame water storage for me is a hard pass. I much prefer bta setup. If you forget to clean it, and it has anything but water in it that could be either a nightmare, or expensive. AKA you use tribike transport and don’t see your bike for 2 weeks. It also makes training on it a bit more difficult as bta bottles are just so easy. That and Canyon here in states anyway sold because they were a great value. Thousands less than the competition. This bike is just as expensive as a Cervelo, and that makes the decision super easy. Not to mention this one is heavy.
For me there are 4 bikes our right now in the new disc superbike category, not counting the Pxx series. I don’t count the Scott and Specialized as to me, they are ugly and just way too expensive to be anything other than a curiosity. It’s not even that I can’t afford them, I just refuse to pay that much for a bike. Per my personal ranking:
P5 Disc
Argon18
Orbea
Canyon
in that order. I would move the Orbea up if they had a nice deep bento box, but no bento is a big minus.
9-10 watts faster than the old Speedmax is impressive. Though I’m not sure we ever really had a clear picture of where the old Speedmax was compared to the Speed Concept, P5, etc.
Tour Magazin did a comparative test
Digitising their numbers and plugging into Kona course model for a 4hr rider (45kph) puts the old Speedmax 12w behind the P5-Three rim brake.
So 9-10w improvement means Canyon are now into the range of the top flight bikes.
Yeah, I was going to point out the same thing. At best, they’ve brought themselves even, though they’re not telling anyone what configuration they were comparing.
I recommend Canyon’s to my clients every day, but I think they blew it on pricing. I just wrote this to a client who wanted to know if the bike fit him and my thoughts…
$8K gets you a Cervelo P3x or, better yet, a TriRig Omni after installing electronic shifting (actually, the TriRig would be less). Canyon is saving 30-40 points by not selling through bike shops, most of which they were passing along to the consumer in savings. Now they’re just keeping it for themselves. I’m thinking that could backfire on them. Most people purchased Canyon because it was just as good as any other bike for a lower price. Now it’s just as good as any other bike. Just another bike to choose from, but no compelling reason to buy it. I was joking with an industry friend that Cervelo and Felt must be all smiles today.
Perhaps a little harsh, but honestly what’s the differentiator now? I’m hard-pressed to find one from their Tri bike offerings. Great bikes, to be sure, but nothing more than anyone else.
Thanks for digging that up and sharing
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9-10 watts faster than the old Speedmax is impressive. Though I’m not sure we ever really had a clear picture of where the old Speedmax was compared to the Speed Concept, P5, etc.
Tour Magazin did a comparative test
Digitising their numbers and plugging into Kona course model for a 4hr rider (45kph) puts the old Speedmax 12w behind the P5-Three rim brake.
So 9-10w improvement means Canyon are now into the range of the top flight bikes.
Interesting. Looks like I’m still not giving up much (if anything?) with my Speed Concept or my optimized Shiv (extrapolating from the Felt IA and and Cervelo P5-3 data)
Perhaps a little harsh, but honestly what’s the differentiator now? I’m hard-pressed to find one from their Tri bike offerings. Great bikes, to be sure, but nothing more than anyone else.
Much kinder than what I told one of my clients…
Although, I haven’t found much to get excited about in any of the recent tri bike releases. For all the talk of convergence there isn’t consistency in solving the requirements of a tri bike.