Canadian Columnist view on Lance news

Way too much of this stuff right now, but thought you might be interested to see the perspective of a Candian writer…
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050825/BRUNT25/Columnists/Columnist?author=Stephen+Brunt

In case the link doesn’t work I’ve placed the article here…
By STEPHEN BRUNT of the Globe and Mail, Aug 25th 2005

When George W. Bush turned to the subject of drugs and athletes in his State of the Union address a year and a half ago, he reduced the issue – as he’s wont to do – to one of blacks and whites.

Athletes who took things were bad. Professional sports that allowed them to do so were bad as well.

Those performers and those entertainment businesses had better clean up their act or face government retribution.

For the most part, everyone jumped on cue, various witch hunts ensued, Barry Bonds was made a convenient scapegoat, and Major League Baseball’s limited anti-trust exemption is safe for now.

But really, this is and has always been murky, morally ambiguous territory, especially when the business of performance-enhancing drugs is mixed up with the recreational variety as a target of the great anti-doping crusade (see Randy Moss, et al).

The larger American public, though, didn’t seem to fret about that, and didn’t seem to have any real trouble keeping its good guys and bad guys straight.

Or at least it didn’t until confronted with the tricky business of Lance Armstrong.

He is pretty much in every obvious way the living embodiment of that otherwise discredited fantasy, the athletic role model. Armstrong won a gruelling, physically and mentally challenging event, the Tour de France, more times than anyone in history, and did so after overcoming cancer that was supposed to kill him.

Operating in a hostile environment, in which he was anything but the favourite son, he finally won over the European cycling crowd, who this year, during his final Tour, were cheering the Texan to the finish. Gary Cooper could have played him in the movies: strong, silent, determined, humble enough, the All-American boy now the toast of Paree.

In terms of doping, cycling has been an exceptionally dirty sport, or at least a sport in which an exceptional amount of the dirt has been made public. Armstrong has always denied that he took anything, even as those around him loaded up, though those in the know raised eyebrows at his repeated protestations of innocence.

Back home, it was written off as the usual Euro-jealousy. What would you expect from France? The Yankees didn’t know much about the event or the sport or the context or the history, but they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that their boy, the one who inspired the yellow bracelets, was clean as a whistle.

And now they know, also, that a widely respected (though French) publication, L’Équipe, has reported that samples of Armstrong’s urine collected in 1999 contain the performance-enhancing substance EPO, which at the time was undetectable.

Cycling was lousy with EPO users in those days, and many were eventually caught. It’s certainly possible to imagine that in the interim, as Armstrong was winning Tour after Tour, the users’ cover-up strategies became more sophisticated even as the testers thought they were closing the loop.

Assume for the moment that the information in the L’Équipe story is true – understanding that that’s not an assumption Armstrong’s fans will be anxious to make.

So is Lance Armstrong a good guy or a bad guy? In the pursuit of fame and fortune, is it right or wrong to employ whatever means necessary, to benefit from ever more sophisticated science, to employ boosters that the sport’s administrators don’t even know exist? Does it matter whether everyone else is doing it? Where do you draw the line between legal supplements and illegal substances? Can you be a hero and a “cheater” all at once? What would George W. do?

Bonds, they were happy to throw over the side. Rafael Palmeiro, they’re happy to boo, and Jason Giambi, too. Randy Moss and Ricky Williams ought to be flogged for their dope smoking. Not so quick, though, to revisit Mark McGwire, or to look at the superhumans of the National Football League, and wonder if perhaps there are still some holes in the net.

The Americans could ask us Canadians for guidance. They could look at how we reacted, in our innocence, to Ben Johnson way back when. They could wonder, in the light of all we know now, whether the country would feel the same way if it happened today.

But that would suggest they noticed in the first place. Instead, this finally is their own moment of reckoning, in which there are no easy choices to be made. And this trip into the grey of real life they’re going to have to navigate for themselves.

I guess it is easy for the press and public to take down guys like Bonds. Not exactly the favourite son of American sports culture. Harder to take down a dude like Lance.

In any event, even if he won 99 and 2000 on EPO when no test existed till Sydney, he either beat everyone clean for the next 5, or his chemists are better than WADAs testers :slight_smile:

i think the canadian football league has dopers…they have to be on drugs to put the fieldgoals where they do.

it’s nice how he, as a Canadian, can be so worldly…living only a few miles north of us…

maybe they can tell us how to run our healthcare system too…

… another reason if I’m given a choice I’ll take the Globe over the Post. Yesterday’s editorial in the Ntl Post on the Lance topic quoted Merckx at a 4-time TdF champion.

…maybe the reporter actually travels and gets his views from around the world. Madison…last time I checked it was the same latitude as Toronto at 43 degrees N, so it seems that he does not live much further north than you (if indeed you are from Madison WI).

**maybe they can tell us how to run our healthcare system too… **

wow bucky that’s a good one.

you’re probably right - 15+% of the country without insurance is ok as long as those of us who have good jobs have insurance so we can spend our extra money on carbon fiber and $400 race entry and not paying off a $4500 broken wrist from a skateboard accident in 1999…

Sorry, I think it is stupid but at least now I know that all we have to do is ask Canada. Whew, I feel better now. The fans of Lance are only American and Americans are fans of Lance? He obviously hasn’t read any ST lately. His point that people may give LA more a benefit of the doubt may be true but he has also done more to be liked by the average “American” than some idiot like Bonds or Ricky Williams.

How is doping morally ambiguous? It is cheating right?

“this finally is their own moment of reckoning, in which there are no easy choices to be made”. Huh? What choice do we have to make?

Certain people, including the author, are adamant that all of cycling has been and is dirty. They seem to say that just being a pro cyclist means you’re doping. If this is true, then why did only 14 or 15 out of 100+ samples prove positive for EPO? Seems to me that very few were doping and cycling is not nearly as dirty as people think.

As for these specific test results, how can you use them to accuse anybody of doping when (1) the sample handling protocol was not followed (2) there are no controls in place that would allow the test results to be reviewed or duplicated (3) the only link to a specific rider was made by a news agency that refuses to disclose the original linking documents or provide a chain of custody and (4) the testing facility has stated that it can not link the results of the tests to a specific rider?

Would you want to be accused of doping under these circumstances? If you were so accused, what would you say if you were innocent?

I understand that passing a drug test means you passed the test. But you and others seem to believe that passing a drug test means you are doping because we all know the test means nothing. And, of course, everyone dopes and everyone, including the testers, knows that the dopers and their doctors are smarter and more advanced than the testers. So, there is no way anyone is clean and there is no way anyone can prove they are clean. Is this your point?

Assume your work place required a urine test for drug use. You provide samples and the test results are clean. They freeze your left overs and keep them for several years. In the interim, you pass every drug test administered by your work place. Eventually, a new test is developed and they find trace amounts cocaine in your old urine. They tell the world that you are a cocaine user, that you have decieved your employer for the last several years, and that you are fired. You ask for your samples so that you can defend yourself but, alas, they are gone. You ask the lab for the documents tracking your sample but, alas, the lab says it does not have them. You learn that a newspaper says it has them but won’t give you the originals or tell you how they got the tracking information. What do you do? Are you rightly accused? Can the world correctly assume that you used cocaine even though you deny it?

Can the world correctly assume that you used cocaine even though you deny it?

Yes.

BTW, it’s not that cut and dried with Lance, they (the french lab) actually sent the samples, tests and documents to WADA I believe. Even though he can never be sanctioned by WADA (he’s retired anyways!), they can still prove he was guilty (I’m assuming… we’ll see).

Your yes answer frightens me. It means that allegations with severe credibility issues are sufficient in your mind to force someone to prove the allegations wrong. This turns the world on its head. It is an impossible task to prove that you are clean when supposedly intelligent people believe no one is clean and shout from the rooftops that passing drug tests does not mean you are clean. How else do you prove you are clean? Maybe we should have a camera crew follow the athletes 24 - 7. But, alas, those very same supposedly intelligent people would just accuse the athletes of bribing the camera crews.

I hope that all of the information surrounding these test results are disclosed. There are many holes in the allegations which, in my mind, make the allegations so far unreliable.

I disagree with the CFL doppers comment, I live up here and i don’t watch that little boy game I watch the real league the NFL baby…

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Hey I resemble those marks, i think athletes cheat in all sports equally…and if my numbers are correct Ben Johnson is still the fastest man alive…he was waving to the crowd with 10m to go!

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I disagree with the CFL doppers comment, I live up here and i don’t watch that little boy game I watch the real league the NFL baby…

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pppbbbbtttt…please. Bigger field, bigger ball 3 downs to do what the Americans need 4 to do. You tell me who the big boys are :slight_smile:

Actually, what the author said was…

In terms of doping, cycling has been an exceptionally dirty sport, or at least a sport in which an exceptional amount of the dirt has been made public

He did say that it is dirty, but clarified that its a sport where the dirt has been made public…

ONLY 14-15 out of 100+ samples tested positive for EPO…wouldn’t you say that is a pretty high hit rate for dopers?

I thought OJ was guilty too.

I understand what your concerns are about Lance. His story is remarkable and in many ways incredible. His body, if not unique, is close to being so. His body’s ability to survive the cancer that should by all accounts have killed him may indeed be capable of other remarkable if not unique things.

For me, the plethora of negative test results are enough to convince me that Lance is clean. These latest allegations are serious and raise some doubts. But they are so far insufficient to convince me that he was doping then or has doped in the past. I seek full disclosure and transparency. If it all falls into place then I will be convinced. Right now, there are too many unanswered questions.

Finally, the amount and number of accusations should never be used to persuade someone of another’s wrong doing. If it were, someone with enough resources and will power could tarnish anyone, anytime. Think US political campaigns.

Nope…Ben Johnson’s time has just been beaten this year…best time to date is now 9.77…Ben’s was 9.79…i agree that until this year, dope or no dope, he was the fastest ever to run 100m in a race.

I’ve got no idea if Lance does/did dope. Neither do any of you.

The problem - for Lance and anyone else accused - is that it’s not possible to prove your innocence, either now or in the past. If you say you didn’t/don’t dope, your accusers just say your doctor was better than the testing. It’s a no-win scenario once you are accused.

For example, take the tests of his '99 samples. Some doctors say EPO wouldn’t survive that long in a sample no matter how it was frozen. Yet L’Equipe says it was positive for EPO. If it were this year’s sample, Lance could roll up his sleave, give some blood and either clear or damn himself. But a sample from '99? There is no possible way to prove his innocence.

Did Lance dope? Hell, I’ve got no idea and frankly, neither do any of you.

For me, the plethora of negative test results are enough to convince me that Lance is clean.

I agree with you on this, but with all the recent BALCO crap, it makes me lean more to the side that there are more cheaters that do-gooders, and that the cheaters are just always a step ahead. I hate to think that way, but it just seems to be proven correct all the time.