So yea…I still think it’s a ways off before most people get on board with legalizing pot.
And even further off before people accept that people will do as they please and it is not their place to either stop them nor protect them from harming themselves…but I digress.
~Matt
So yea…I still think it’s a ways off before most people get on board with legalizing pot.
And even further off before people accept that people will do as they please and it is not their place to either stop them nor protect them from harming themselves…but I digress.
~Matt
Well the problem with that there is potential harm to others with marijuana; operating vehicles while high should be just as illegal as with alcohol, imo. Otherwise I agree, if you wanna smoke yourself into a coma I honestly could care less, as long as you’re not effecting anyone with your behavior then you can do pretty much anything under the sun and I don’t think it should be illegal.
Well the problem with that there is potential harm to others with marijuana
There IS potential harm with everything. How many people are in accidents every day completely sober?
operating vehicles while high should be just as illegal as with alcohol, imo.
What about texting, talking on the cell phone, messing with the radio, you’re hair, the kids or should we just say “Distracted driving is illegal”?
The problem of course is ENFORCEMENT. If I’m driving and I run into you does it matter WHY I ran into you or do you simply want your car fixed?
It’s simply a question of are we going to allow people to be responsible for their actions, or not. Either yes, or no. If they can’t be responsible for driving sober and I feel it is my job to make sure they DO drive sober, then how do I draw a line and say “But it’s not my job to make sure they aren’t doing everything that is I think is “Best” for them”.
As long as we feel we have to make these types of decisions for others we will never have a line drawn that allows various freedoms and we will always have the line moved to take away some other freedom. What we eat, how we drive, what we teach our kids and so on.
“Kinda responsible for yourself” is the same thing as “Kinda Pregnant”, it doesn’t exist, either you are, or your not. The reverse side of that is “Being kinda responsible for someone else” doesn’t exist, either you are or you aren’t.
~Matt
If we legalize pot should we legalize cocaine and heroin? If we don’t we’ll still have illegal cartels and cirminal enterprises, and people in jail for small amounts of the controlled substances. Take it another step further, should we legalize illegal consumption of pharmaceutical drugs?
"Those people that want to party with pot, coke, whatever are buying them illegally from criminal organizations. "
And if it where sold legally they wouldn’t.
“The economic and social costs of those people using illegal drugs is unimaginable.”
Less so if it where legal.
"But we have 1,000 gang murders in every single American city every single year. Every year. And American gangs are funded by drug money primarily. "
Not if it where legal because the companies will be getting the money.
“What real value does legalizing pot contribute to society?”
Freedom. It’s the body of the smoker not yours. Can you defend alcohol?
" Legalizing drugs would not decrease the costs of enforcement"
Yes it would. It’s simple math.
" treatment"
We are paying for that right now for illegal drugs.
", and more. "
What is “more”?
"The addiction, the health effects, the drunk driving, the violance, etc. Of course not. "
It would be the same problem. People would buy it illegally. People want to get sideways no matter what your personal moral code is.
The huge big thing is that it’s my body not yours.
“If we legalize pot should we legalize cocaine and heroin?”
Yes.
"Take it another step further, should we legalize illegal consumption of pharmaceutical drugs? "
Yes. It’s my body not yours.
"If something is legal you will have the guys growing lab grade premium stuff, “Micro grows” and a guy doing mass harvesting of ditch weed to fulfill the market demand “Macro Grows” and everything in between. "
I was wondering about that. If the strains of the good stuff are already used the good stuff will get a lot cheaper because even though it’s more of a hassle to grow big companies will do it more efficiently. More product lower cost.
I wonder why ot’s illegal to prescribe medication without going to medical school and being licensed?
“If we legalize pot should we legalize cocaine and heroin?”
Yes.
"Take it another step further, should we legalize illegal consumption of pharmaceutical drugs? "
Yes. It’s my body not yours.
Thank you, my thoughts exactly.
Get these substances off the streets, clean up and tax the market for them and increase the penalty for illegally obtaining them. You lessen the control of cartels, put money in federal coffers, free up the prison system, penalize harshly those who don’t abide by the rules (any harm done to others in using or obtaining these drugs is dealt with very harshly), and allow people to do what they’re going to do anyway.
I find it hilarious that people are so against legalizing these substances, as though the moral fiber of the country will unravel if we do so. The fact of the matter is that people are gonna get high and they’re gonna shoot up, illegal or not. The legalization of this drug market is simply a means to eliminate (or at least curb?) the violence involved in obtaining these substances.
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If we legalize pot should we legalize cocaine and heroin? If we don’t we’ll still have illegal cartels and cirminal enterprises, and people in jail for small amounts of the controlled substances. Take it another step further, should we legalize illegal consumption of pharmaceutical drugs? "
Yes.
I pretty much agree with you on this issue. The problem though is that there is too much money in having it illegal. Most small government conservatives within law enforcement would be very much against reducing the size of government for that purpose as it eliminates their overpaid positions. I mean the fact that we have a privatized prison system…
And the money comes from…breaking laws.
Right. And the profit is sky-high, not primarily because of Mexican laws, but because of the US policy of drug prohibition and US attempts to interfere with supply. For anyone who is skillful in evading or bribing the legal authorities, the potential profit has to be enormous, and the War on Drugs itself limits your competition. So it comes back to what I said in the first place: The primary source of the cartels’ power is the US government.