Boston Marathon Tightening Time Standards for Downhill Courses

Actually they should, as someone can use 40mm+ carbon spring shoes without them knowing. At least ironman was explicit about it this year, so refs woll look

They can monitor and enforce shoes at their own race, but are not able to enforce shoe selection at their feeder races. I suppose they could get specific and say that BQ feeder races must also subscribe to (some list of shoes), but I don’t think they’ll go there.

But at that point there are a few other compliance issues that are probably higher up on the list - intermediate timing mats are probably much higher.

I mean ultimately I think this is a decent compromise between banning events with “too much downhill” and letting people do whatever they want.

I don’t know if 10 minutes is quite the right number for some races but that’s a different story.

@synthesis Boston ain’t flat. There will always be people who blow up and “wreck” the corrals. Just part of the event.

there are those who BQ, then use boston as a “victory lap”, where they likely wont seed themselves back to jog it

I have run a mix of down hill, flat, and hilly marathons…

…Note: I will be doing my first down hill half marathon next month. I went through all the grade adjusted pace cautions and the math suggested that I would be about 2-3 minutes faster than my last half marathon that was flat and at sea level. I then went through the altitude adjustments calculations and the math suggested that I would be 2-3 minutes slower. So I am going to call it wash but expect to be slower than my last half marathons

So…I did my “down hill” half marathon”. They changed the course this year. Instead of bussing us another 4 miles up the mountain we run uphill the first two miles then turn around and run back down. So, the two up hill miles added a good minute to minute and a half to my race time. Going up I was a 6:25 pace and coming down I was a 5:54 pace. The race elevation was around 6,500 get above sea level. My last half (seal level was) around 1:17:45. My time on the down hill course was 1:20:06. I am going to say that flat courses are the fastest.

No man , no. Uphill running and at altitude is more energy expensive. Too many other factors, such as you last half long while back?

Down hill time penalties for Boston qualifying are here to stay, so it is a moot point that all “down hill” courses are not created equal. My sister told me yesterday that the Utah Valley Marathon has already changed their course to make it one foot under the limit so runners don’t get time penalties. I guess that is going to be the new norm.

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smart move by race organizers then to protect themselves.

Why are non-binary times just women’s times?

B.A.A. Rule 3.7.1 specifically calls out that qualifying times for non-binary athletes will be taken off of the women’s standard. But that, per rule 3.7.5.:

Participants can expect non-binary qualifying times to be updated accordingly in the future by the B.A.A.

It also details that athletes must run in the non-binary category in their qualifying event (if it is available). Otherwise, they must run in the gendered field.

Just odd because there are biological males (although fewer) that identify as non-binary and definitely are faster than the non-binary times by some margin. It’s essentially saying that these people are gonna be slow.