Big thanks to Slowman, John Cobb, Rappstar and Monty! And your seat is TOO LOW! My day at Xantusia

I just got back from Xantusia. I was sorry that I couldn’t go yesterday, and we had some wild weather, but it was fantastic none the less.
(Had I known there would be high level Yogis there for the weekend, I could have convinced my wife and spent the whole weekend there, but…) :frowning:

The trip over was interesting due to a late winter storm blowing into SoCal. On the way over Hwy 2 (Angeles Crest) and Angeles Forest to Mt Emma, there was fog, wind and driving rain interspersed with a few mistings. When I got to Valyermo Road, the skies parted and the road was dry, as was the shoulder. It remained this way all the way to Xantusia. Dan and John Cobb must have influence in very HIGH places.

On my arrival, ther first fitting was in process and I watched as Dan and John raised saddle after saddle. Some were raised by a lot. they were marveling at how much they were raising these things. I think they set a few Slowtwitch records today for absolute and percentage increase. Jordan was there, too, adding his opinions to the procedings as well as about running and shoes. I talked with Monty about a variet of subjects, as well. And, I can’t forget to mention Mrs. Slowtwitch, who was a gracious and, oh so lovely hostess. (Dan, how did you find this beautiful person AND convince her to marry you???) :wink:

When lunch arrived, walked out into what had no become a very windy snow storm. I walked with John over to Monty’s where Monty served me some leftovers from the BBQ the night before. Wow! That food was great today. It must have been amazing last night.

I hadn’t been wanting to be fitted, but after watching the morning’s proceeds and seeing that I was the ONLY person left, I upped for the fitting. After laughing at my bike and it’s accoutrements (sp?), Dan and John made a few preliminary settings and put me on the fit bike. I have a weird body–previously ripped and short hams, short legs, deep chest and a hump bigger than Lance’s. They shortened my cranks from the current 172.5 to 165 and then slid me forward and back, up and down painstakings, like getting your vision tested. (Is this better or worse? now, better or worse?..) In the end, my seat was higher and I was less steep, but had a bigger drop by 5cm. I felt quite comfortable and felt like I could turn those 165s all day. I felt like I’d died and gone to heaven. Just being around those 2 (Dan and John) all day and having them adjust me was fantastic. Both are consumate gentlemen and a pleasure to be around.

Later I went for a run with Rappstar. The snow had gone and it was a bright shiny, but cool and windy afternoon. OK, let me be more clear, we walked a bit to loosen up and when we started to run Jordan started off at a slow trot that was quite a bit faster than my RUN. I saw him for a while, but he disappeared. (It must have been the altitude.) When I got to the turnaround point at 4mi (I started wrong, Dan). Jordan was nowhere to be seen. About halfway back, I saw him again as he zoomed by me at an easy trot. I pushed the pace to keep him in site, which I succeeded in doing, but he turned around and I never saw him again. He must have been out for 20.

So, again I wanted to thank everyone there and I hope I wasn’t too big a pain in the rear. If any of you ever get the chance to do this—GO!!!

So what accounts for all the saddle raising? Have we taken all our kidding about “your seat’s too high” too far? Are people reading that stuff and saying, “well nobody’s going to accuse ME of having MY seat too high.” Or is there some new thinking about what is appropriate saddle height?
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Dick
Yea, yesterday was fun. Sounds like you guys also had a good day. I agree, watching Dan, John, Jordan do bike fits was amazing. I would of got a fit if I had my tri bike yesterday.

As for Mrs Slowtwich(Tanya), super nice! Yes, Dan scored.

And Monty’s BBQ last night was great.

I asked Dan and John how close or different their independent fits are. John said they are pretty close. I think he said that they were usually within a couple of mm. THAT’S CLOSE.

Well, I wasn’t there, but under the N = 1 theory, I got Retul’d a couple of weeks ago (another FIST guy helping the Retul guy) and all the spacers came out and the seat went up and forward (and it previously went way forward about 2 months ago at the recommendation of ….). It was the most counterintuitive thing I have done recently. When they pulled the spacers I was quietly staring at them and they said - “trust us.” Am I faster? Yes. A lot? Yes. Feel good? Yes. Did I ever think I could ride this steep? No. Am I older than most of the people on ST? Yes. Do I have any major back problems? No. Flexibility - average.

The only rule I gave them was that I had to be able to run after 112 miles. I can (or at least after 100).

We are going to have a steerer tube cutting party at the LBS sometime in the next couple of weeks. Lunch is going to be on me.

This has been 4 years in the coming.

And who started me on this road sight unseen after I asked a few questions? I think you know the answer……

Did I mention how cool my bike looks compared to how it looked before this journey started? Okay, that is not the point……

My only concern is looking up enough to be safe……


Dick
Yea, yesterday was fun. Sounds like you guys also had a good day. I agree, watching Dan, John, Jordan do bike fits was amazing. I would of got a fit if I had my tri bike yesterday.

As for Mrs Slowtwich(Tanya), super nice! Yes, Dan scored.

And Monty’s BBQ last night was great.
Sounds like I REALLY missed a good time.

From this moment forth, all seats on Slowtwitch are to low. Maybe not. :slight_smile:

OK!? Your seat’s too low!

Has there been any discussion about what crank length to choose for a road bike after switching to shorter cranks on a tri bike? I too recently switched from 172.5mm to 165mm and couldn’t be happier, but wonder if I should do the same on my road bike.

Any thoughts?

Joe

I think the consensus was that it depends, but since the hip angle is more open on the road bike the smaller cranks aren’t necessary. I’d bet that Dan, John or Rappstar will chime in on this one. (I hope.)

I wonder if 167.5mm would be good on the road bike. Slightly longer than the tri bike to take advantage of leverage, but short enough to mimic the motion of the pedal stroke. OTOH, since I ride primarily in the aero position on my tri bike, should I run exclusively 165mm cranks to maintain the muscle memory of being on the tri bike?

Joe

Dan?
John?
AC?

I think Rappstar says that he prefers the same length on both types of bikes for more or less the same firing pattern.

Doesn’t make sense since the positions are not the same on both bikes.

Doesn’t make sense since the positions are not the same on both bikes.

sure they are

just not with respect to the earth
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Jackmott,

Would you suggest that both bikes should have the same size cranks to maintain a consistent hip angle and pedalling stroke? That is, assuming that the tri position is essentially the road position rotated forward.

Thanks,
Joe

Agreed that the positions are different, but the firing patterns are less different than if you have two bikes with different positions and different size cranks.

I have no issues going back and forth from 165 on the tri bike to 170 on the road bike, your hip angle only tends to be as closed on the road bike when down in the drops, if you spend most of your time sitting up on the hoods then I dont see the need for shorter cranks. I seem to be generating the same power with both crank lengths for example during seated climbing, I found the shorter cranks make it more comfortable in the aerobars over extended times riding a fairly low front end.

Kevin