Best semi-custom IM training plan for sub 10 hr IM?

After 1 season of triathlon, I’m ready to take the next step in training. I focused on olympic and half IM distance this season. My olympic distance PR was 2:12, my half IM PR (1 race) was 4:32. I have run a 2:44 marathon. I honestly believe I can go sub 10. I have been self coached 100% with triathlon (collegiate running background so I understand training principles such as periodization, various zones training, etc…).

I tried my best last season to structure my year using similar training principles of my running seasons of past. In order to really excel in triathlon, I feel that a specific triathlon program would be hugely beneficial. I do not have the funds to support a coach, which would obviously be ideal. I figure the lowest tier option would be to buy an online training program. I want something a little bit more dynamic than that. I would love the opportunity to shoot questions off a coach, even if just at the start, and maybe in the middle. If any coaching is out of budget, I at least want a program that adjusts based on my progression. I train with a powermeter and heart rate and I want a program that absolutely utilizes training metrics. I want a program that will adjust my workout intensities when I input updated FTP values and threshold run/swim times. I want a program that requests that I go out and complete various FTP and time trial tests to ensure that my plan is most up to date for me.

The big kicker is I cannot spend more than $100/month (during main training bulk), or $600 for the year. Are there products/companies that would fit my needs? I feel that many IM programs I have seen online are geared for the MOP AGers and I strive for more than that.

Are there any clubs in your area?
They just might have a decent coach that would be able to make you a plan. The clubs I’ve seen all charge about that much.

Build you own like I did.

Read “The Triathletes Training Bible”, get a Trainingpeaks membership and buy a plan, or again, build your own. The virtual coach is a good starting point. How you manage recovery and build your fitness, is more important that individual workouts.

Spend the $600 towards a powermeter… or if you have one already, race more.

swim and run every day. bike as needed. repeat.

there’s your plan. that will be $75 to my paypal please.

My guess is that with a 2:44 open marathon you have very realistic shot at going sub 10 on a lot of courses with the right training unless your swim/bike completely sucks. What is your weakest leg? What race was that 4:32 and what were your SBR splits?

While nothing beats having a good coach IMO (but probably not realistic based on your current budget), the dynamic nature of the plan that you want doesn’t sound overly difficult to achieve. There are plenty of free programs out there that use percentages of either swim max, HR, RPE, and/or power to guide you, and you can just modify your efforts accordingly as you improve

e.g.

http://www.trifuel.com/triathlon/ironman-workouts/glossary.htm

Sounds like you have some real potential. Another thing to consider that don’t cost much if anything are joining a local tri club (esp. if you can find one that has a serious bent to it, as opposed to more social). You can often take advantage of group training with an IM purpose there. Also, don’t neglect nutrition, pacing strategies, and transitions…particularly nutrition…

Good Luck!

Fwim, depending on you current training level, weaknesses, time available. … etc. 10hr might be selling yourself short. 9:30 , depending on the course might be a better target.

Running everyday is definitely something I prefer not to do. For some that works well, but the reason I switched to triathlon was because of frequent overuse running injuries. Last season I ran 3 days a week and split 1:23 (13.1) during the HIM. I certainly will need to up my run volume (and entire volume) to prep for an IM, but staying healthy is key for me.

The swim is absolutely my weakness (my username probably gives that away). My HIM swim time was 40 min. That is a pace that I can go pretty much all day (1:54/100 yd) but I cannot go faster to save my life. If I try to go faster, I fatigue out incredibly fast. I have already contacted a local masters group and will be starting with them 3x/week once a spot opens up (end of fall).

I generally hold my own on the bike, averaging between 22.5-24.0 mph depending on the course and the distance, but by no means contest for top bike split. Last season I generally just rode with some local road groups, then took my Tri bike out on the weekends. I want to start to focus a lot more on specific workouts on my tri bike rather than letting a group dictate how I ride. I purchased a power meter and used it for a couple FTP’s, and to help pace my races, but did not use it to structure my workouts. I REALLY want each ride next season to have a specific purpose (even if it’s just a chill recovery ride). Too often I would ride a route just because I liked it, rather than to accomplish a training goal. If I felt good, I rode hard, or if a roadie past me and gave me the wrong look, I turned it up to show him up haha.

I read the triathlete training bible cover to cover and used it initially to plan my season, but ended up not using it. I found the workouts offered through the virtual coach or the index of the book did not adequately adjust during the season. For example, the virtual coach kept recommending the exact same brick workout, or bike workout even though I was on base 3 week 3 and should have been striving for 23 hours… If I am suppose to hit 23 hours in a given week, I want a plan to already have workouts in place, rather than have to cherry pick the highest volume options and string them together.

Back to my original question. Are there any solid online training plans (through some searching I have seen options like Kicker Endurance, Endurance Nation, QT2, etc…) that are dynamic and specific for the non MOP AGers? Just through brief time on some of those sites I see potential, but seem to think that they are more targeted for someone just trying to finish a race rather than race a race…

Anyone use them, do they seem to adapt as you adapt? I will likely try some of their free trials, but experience and feedback is always welcome!

I will also seek out local tri clubs for support. Thanks.

If you’re sure that you actually know how to train and race, another option is to hire a “good” coach on an as-needed consultant basis.

As an example, desert dude lists this service on his site: http://accelerate3.com/coaching/

You mentioned you have a season budget of $600 so you could hire him for 4 sessions over the course of your season.

You can likely do do your sub 10 based on your times this year and if you continue to improve. As one other poster mentioned you can likely get some great resources yourself and then build your program off of those resources. The friel book and his blog are good places to start - even if you hire a coach. I coach a few athletes like yourself (restricted budget), and it only works if the coach and the the athlete are a good fit for each other. The key is to find some folks to swim with 2-3 times week or a masters swim club, and then the rest can be pretty ez as long as you are disciplined enough to stick with it. The problem with cookie cutter stuff is that you might have an off week and need recovery whereas the schedule has you doing a big week and you get stressed about it. A good coach will just adapt and adjust things a bit and you will be no worse for wear and still be “on track” Good for you for deciding to go under 10!!!

I feel I know “how” to train (ie. if I have a presented workout, I can effectively complete it and I understand different components to training such as a tempo, vs, intervals, vs fartleks, etc) but just do not know how to effectively plan a training season. I feel I can effectively set-up a weekly training plan, but I do not know how to set-up a 6+ month program. This last year I essentially did the same thing each week, just slowly ramped up the volume as I went, taking a lighter week about once every month. My strategy was likely not terrible, but getting some expert advice or initial guidance would be nice.

My ability to accurately follow a plan is another reason why I am looking into a training program that will be made or is already made for me. The more I type, the more I feel I could handle it on my own (another reason why I don’t want to spend a lot on a cookie cutter plan or a coach), but feeling like I could mess it up without an expert is on my mind.

As for racing… that is one thing I can do :slight_smile:
I have always been the athlete that could beat teammates who were superior in practice (and I’m no slacker in practice). I think I can handle the pain cave better than most. I have read Allen and Coggans book and know all about pacing on the bike with a power meter, the swim I only have one speed so can’t adjust that (except by slowly improving my swim), and the run just feels natural for me. I will have to be smart on the run to make sure I don’t blow up and have to walk the last 6 miles.

Maybe some STers (ideally sub 10 athletes) could just post a few training weeks for me so I can see a typical week? Most helpful would be one random week (not recovery week) during the early stages of the season (maybe working more on technique, drills, etc.), one week in the middle that is sort of your standard meat of the program, and one week near the final build. I struggled most during the final build for my half IM. It just seemed to be too similar to everything else and don’t know how I would structure it when I need to have 90+ mile ride and 15+ mile runs.

Do a forum search for “sub 10”. Lots of good threads/posts.

Running everyday is definitely something I prefer not to do. For some that works well, but the reason I switched to triathlon was because of frequent overuse running injuries. Last season I ran 3 days a week and split 1:23 (13.1) during the HIM. I certainly will need to up my run volume (and entire volume) to prep for an IM, but staying healthy is key for me.

The swim is absolutely my weakness (my username probably gives that away). My HIM swim time was 40 min. That is a pace that I can go pretty much all day (1:54/100 yd) but I cannot go faster to save my life. If I try to go faster, I fatigue out incredibly fast. I have already contacted a local masters group and will be starting with them 3x/week once a spot opens up (end of fall).

I generally hold my own on the bike, averaging between 22.5-24.0 mph depending on the course and the distance, but by no means contest for top bike split. Last season I generally just rode with some local road groups, then took my Tri bike out on the weekends. I want to start to focus a lot more on specific workouts on my tri bike rather than letting a group dictate how I ride. I purchased a power meter and used it for a couple FTP’s, and to help pace my races, but did not use it to structure my workouts. I REALLY want each ride next season to have a specific purpose (even if it’s just a chill recovery ride). Too often I would ride a route just because I liked it, rather than to accomplish a training goal. If I felt good, I rode hard, or if a roadie past me and gave me the wrong look, I turned it up to show him up haha.

I read the triathlete training bible cover to cover and used it initially to plan my season, but ended up not using it. I found the workouts offered through the virtual coach or the index of the book did not adequately adjust during the season. For example, the virtual coach kept recommending the exact same brick workout, or bike workout even though I was on base 3 week 3 and should have been striving for 23 hours… If I am suppose to hit 23 hours in a given week, I want a plan to already have workouts in place, rather than have to cherry pick the highest volume options and string them together.

Back to my original question. Are there any solid online training plans (through some searching I have seen options like Kicker Endurance, Endurance Nation, QT2, etc…) that are dynamic and specific for the non MOP AGers? Just through brief time on some of those sites I see potential, but seem to think that they are more targeted for someone just trying to finish a race rather than race a race…

Anyone use them, do they seem to adapt as you adapt? I will likely try some of their free trials, but experience and feedback is always welcome!

I will also seek out local tri clubs for support. Thanks.

I would just add one more point for you to consider. Of course there is VERY much to be said about coaching and making every work out count. However, there is also very much to say about your current training program…e.g. riding a route because I like it…making training pleasurable also increases performance! My last HIM was a 28, 2:23, and 1:41 in Sept at Mont Tremblant. For the first time, my run is slowly creeping towards half-way decent…simply because I have finally found how to love running whereas swimming and biking have long been enjoyable. Now…let’s figure this out…you give me your run speed, I’ll get you going in the water, and bam…we be cooking with gas!

Swim: join a Masters Swim Team, swim as much as possible with them.

Bike: Download TrainerRoad, use their structured programs.

Run: Stick to whatever you did for your 2:44 marathon.