Best Bike Split plan used in a race

I’ve tried to use the search function but with little success in finding what I’m looking for. I’m trying to find someone who has used a downloaded plan from Best Bike Split during a race (or even a trial run). I’m planning to do a trial run in a couple weeks for a HIM in June. I am interested in hearing anyone’s experience in following the plan on their Garmin while on the course.

Is it easy/hard to follow?
Too much to take in and execute?
What data fields would you recommend?
Any suggestions/recommendations?

Maybe it’s a no brainer and I’m overthinking this (no one on this board ever does that). I’m just trying to make the most of what will be my only trial run before the race.

Thanks

Roger

I’ve tried to use the search function but with little success in finding what I’m looking for. I’m trying to find someone who has used a downloaded plan from Best Bike Split during a race (or even a trial run). I’m planning to do a trial run in a couple weeks for a HIM in June. I am interested in hearing anyone’s experience in following the plan on their Garmin while on the course.

Is it easy/hard to follow?
Too much to take in and execute?
What data fields would you recommend?
Any suggestions/recommendations?

Maybe it’s a no brainer and I’m overthinking this (no one on this board ever does that). I’m just trying to make the most of what will be my only trial run before the race.

Thanks

Roger
I used it for the Tri-Lakes TT in Palmer Lake, CO a few weeks ago. I use the free version and generalized the plan in my head. It worked well . . . until my mechanical problem. I doubt I’d use the detailed downloadable plan - too much time concentrating on the bike computer; but I haven’t tried it.

I’m trying to figure out what BBS info you’d use during a race… i.e., following a pacing plan to try to hit a preconceived time based on different conditions on a different day? Sounds like a recipe for disaster

Do you race by HR or power? Those should be the metrics you follow. I played around with it a bit before NOLA, but the conditions I anticipated were quite different than reality. BBS gave me a 2:25 split, ended up at 2:30, so close but if I tried to chase that 2:25 I’d have been in worse shape than I already was to start the run. Post race analysis, with actual wind speed and direction, came up with a :07 difference.

a bit confused by the ?, although that may be more a result of my igonorance than the question…And I’ve only used the free site

So I think I know what he is trying to ask. Hopefully I can clear it up some as I was wondering the same thing as him. You can download a Garmin power file from BBS and load it onto your bike computer. When riding the course it uses the GPS to alert you on what your power target for that location on the course is, they call it power based navigation. Basically your riding the power race plan they provided you. I am trying to do this for the Raleigh 70.3. However it doesn’t look like its a quick set up and would take say 2 minute sin transition to set up, maybe 1 if you have practiced multiple times.

Well if you run the race plan model the day before based on a weather forecast, and you do it to hit a preconceived normalized power goal, not a time.

BBS then outputs power targets to a garmin file for each segment to minimize the resulting time

I haven’t used it because I don’t have a garmin. I just simplify the plan in my head.

I’m trying to figure out what BBS info you’d use during a race… i.e., following a pacing plan to try to hit a preconceived time based on different conditions on a different day? Sounds like a recipe for disaster

Do you race by HR or power? Those should be the metrics you follow. I played around with it a bit before NOLA, but the conditions I anticipated were quite different than reality. BBS gave me a 2:25 split, ended up at 2:30, so close but if I tried to chase that 2:25 I’d have been in worse shape than I already was to start the run. Post race analysis, with actual wind speed and direction, came up with a :07 difference.

a bit confused by the ?, although that may be more a result of my igonorance than the question…And I’ve only used the free site

So I think I know what he is trying to ask. Hopefully I can clear it up some as I was wondering the same thing as him. You can download a Garmin power file from BBS and load it onto your bike computer. When riding the course it uses the GPS to alert you on what your power target for that location on the course is, they call it power based navigation. Basically your riding the power race plan they provided you. I am trying to do this for the Raleigh 70.3. However it doesn’t look like its a quick set up and would take say 2 minute sin transition to set up, maybe 1 if you have practiced multiple times.

ah, got it. I think

I did something similar for IM Canada, based on testing and training rides, I broke up the course into discrete chunks and then had power goals for each, since there are very distinct segments on that (Whistler) course. I guess it’s similar to that, you just have to remember the goals

Grapejuice has it right. Sorry my question wasn’t as specific as it should have been. I wanted to see if anyone had downloaded the power plan (to their Garmin) based on where you are on the bike course. As I understand it it’s more or less like a workout you follow as you ride the course. I’ve not done a workout with a Garmin Edge device so I was interested in others’ experience in trying this. Specifically around the questions in the original post.

Roger

Not that the plans aren’t valid…they are (I built the same physics optimization model 8 years ago; search old posts on here). But, from playing around with these models it all ends up very simple. I loaded the Oceanside course in some detail, and set up a spreadsheet that computed power/speed for every road segment, including inputs for CdA, Crr, weight, etc. I then set it up to optimize for lowest time, while giving the model freedom to vary the power on each road segment, subject to a global NP limit. It worked…I rode as the model advised and my bike split was within a minute of predicted.

But…there is NO NEED to try to micro-manage the ride. It’s way simpler than that and you don’t need a custom model. I did dozens of hypothetical course models and quickly realized that the optimal strategy anywhere comes down to simple heuristics.

First, realize that only *you *can decide your NP “budget.” You gotta figure that out. Let’s say you choose 200 watts NP for a half IM.

Now…how do you ride each individual course segment such that (1) your NP does not exceed 200w; and (2) in the shortest amount of time?

It’s an optimization problem, and you can set it up in Excel (or use BBS.com).

And the answer is…ride very nearly exactly constant the whole time. Ride slightly harder on hills and *slightly *easier on downhills. Ignore wind – ride the same since the *optimal *power variation upwind vs. downwind is so small that you can’t ride that accurately anyway.

Lift power maybe 5% on hills, and drop 5% on descents (until you run out of gears). On really steep ups/downs, raise that to 10% if it doesn’t go on for too long.

On flats, sit on your power goal.

For race-prep training rides, see if you can get your ride NP/AP consistently under 1.03. For all but the hilliest rides, the lower that ratio, the better. Even then, anything over 1.05 is losing time.

Don’t overthink it. Ride steady with slight lifts on uphills, and slight drops on downhills. Ignore wind.

Has anyone used a BBS power plan in a Garmin for a race yet? How did it work out?

I used a Power Course file last week during a recon ride on the IMWI course.

Was pretty simple and straight forward. Loaded the course onto the Garmin, then selected the course from my “Courses” list and hit start.

As I approached every “section” of the course, the Garmin would beep and there would be a new target power level on the bottom of the screen (similar to the notices you get when it finds your power sensor or HR strap).

Dunno how well the numbers would have matched up to my goal 'cuz I got sucked into going at it with the guys I was riding with. but it seemed pretty close to what I wanted.

Biggest gripe - small font (and my aging eyes). That, combined with white font on a black background for the notices occasionally made it hard to see the power targets clearly.

I normally race with a 310XTo I have a complete Multisport file, but I am. Strongly considering using my 510 for IMWId using the Power Course file.

I tried it for Syracuse 70.3, I was injured and first race with power so considering I wasn’t even sure I would finish this was a good time to experiment. as someone said it beeps and a target comes up on the screen as you approach each new target area. While it wasn’t always easy to stay on that target it did at least give you an idea where you needed to be without thinking about it. My power balance was slowing fading to 35/65 as my left knew gave up on me so I wasn’t hitting them at all by the end but that gave me the chance to compare target to terrain and it really showed how dead on it was. Initially I paid for BBS because I thought it was a neat project and simply wanted to support Ryan but i’ll renew when it is up and continue to look at plans as well as use it in races, you can always ignore it…

Also someone said it would waste time setting up. On my 800 I turned it on in the morning, loaded the course, once I got to t1 I turned it back on (it auto shut off) and as soon as it detected I was put of transition it was already telling me targets. It was seamless.

I don’t use the whole plan, but we have used it many times this season by creating a plan and taking note of key portions. Usually break it down to something very simple like:

270 watts on the short downhill at the start, then 330 once you hit the climb

or

280 on the upills, 260 on the downhills

The resolution of the algorithm and accuracy of elevation data will not usually make it easy to follow a mile by mile pacing plan, but the cheat sheet feature if you have that is pretty cool.

I’ve tried to use the search function but with little success in finding what I’m looking for. I’m trying to find someone who has used a downloaded plan from Best Bike Split during a race (or even a trial run). I’m planning to do a trial run in a couple weeks for a HIM in June. I am interested in hearing anyone’s experience in following the plan on their Garmin while on the course.

Is it easy/hard to follow?
Too much to take in and execute?
What data fields would you recommend?
Any suggestions/recommendations?

Maybe it’s a no brainer and I’m overthinking this (no one on this board ever does that). I’m just trying to make the most of what will be my only trial run before the race.

Thanks

Roger

I use BBS (power target model) for all my important races. I don’t attempt to perfectly follow the pacing plan and I’ve never downloaded a plan to my Garmin. IMO, there are too many random variables in a triathlon (at least in the pro race) for that to be a realistic approach. I could see how uploading the plan to your Garmin could work under very controlled conditions, like an ITT.

Like others have said, I do my best to follow a simplified plan. First, I memorize power targets for key sections of the course (usually climbs). Next, I memorize power targets for different general conditions: e.g., flat with no wind/headwind/tailwind, steep/gradual climbs, etc. The new “Cheat Sheet” feature (below) does this for you. I’m not sure if this is still a beta feature or only available with a premium membership…

ETA: Just checked with Ryan; Cheat Sheet is a free feature for all BBS users :slight_smile:

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