“It’s official. An ongoing debate is one step closer to resolution - whether or not autism is caused by vaccines. At least for one vaccine and according to a US court that has ruled against claims made by parents with autistic children. The court said that the measles vaccine is not to blame for their children’s neurological disorder.
More than 5,000 claims were filed with the U.S. Court of Claims alleging that vaccines caused autism and other neurological problems in their children. To win, parents had to show that it was more likely than not that the autism symptoms were directly related to the measles-mumps-rubella shots they received.
The judges in the cases said the evidence was overwhelmingly contrary to the parents’ claims — and backed years of science that found no risk.”
I don’t give a crap what the courts say. There is a link. I’ve personally seen two instances of normal, bright, happy kids turn quiet, sullen, and into arm-flappers within a couple of months of getting their “cocktail” of drugs.
My wife has “taught” children with Autism for 8 years in our school system and I would not wish that affliction on anyone or any family. My daughter is 3-5 years away from giving us our first grandchild and even though my wife and I disagree on the link or lack thereof, we both agree when we tell our daughter to NOT get the cocktail and to have each vaccine delivered several months apart, just in case.
-Steven
Well. If a US Court says so, it must be true.
Steve, you do realize that the court did not say that. The court decided that they did not prove that it did.
We read through a lot of the discussion material before deciding what to do (we gave our kids the vaccines). Autism is not new. It has been around long before the measles vaccines were made available in 1963:
“Leo Kanner published his first paper identifying autistic children in 1943, asserting he had noticed such children since 1938. Before Kanner noticed and recorded a pattern of symptoms, such children would be classified as emotionally disturbed or mentally retarded.”
How do you reconcile the fact that Autism existed before the vaccines were available?
Steve, you do realize that the court did not say that. The court decided that they did not prove that it did.
That was the point of my post.
We read through a lot of the discussion material before deciding what to do (we gave our kids the vaccines). Autism is not new. It has been around long before the measles vaccines were made available in 1963:
“Leo Kanner published his first paper identifying autistic children in 1943, asserting he had noticed such children since 1938. Before Kanner noticed and recorded a pattern of symptoms, such children would be classified as emotionally disturbed or mentally retarded.”
How do you reconcile the fact that Autism existed before the vaccines were available?
Yes, but at a rate of 1 to over 10,000 births. Today? It is 1 in 150 and dropping.
Something has changed since then. And that would be the way we vaccinate our kids.
I’m just sayin…
I don’t give a crap what the courts say. There is a link. I’ve personally seen two instances of normal, bright, happy kids turn quiet, sullen, and into arm-flappers within a couple of months of getting their “cocktail” of drugs.
My wife has “taught” children with Autism for 8 years in our school system and I would not wish that affliction on anyone or any family. My daughter is 3-5 years away from giving us our first grandchild and even though my wife and I disagree on the link or lack thereof, we both agree when we tell our daughter to NOT get the cocktail and to have each vaccine delivered several months apart, just in case.
-Steven
There’s all the science and now the courts on one side, and there’s your personal anecdotes on the other. Good luck with that.
How do you reconcile the fact that Autism existed before the vaccines were available?
Autisim is a condition; a set of symptoms that results from different causes.
Yes, but at a rate of 1 to over 10,000 births. Today? It is 1 in 150 and dropping.
Something has changed since then. And that would be the way we vaccinate our kids.
Or the way in which we diagnose autism. The same is true for ADD and ADHD. All too often, I see young boys (never girls) being medicated because parents and teachers don’t want to deal with young boys behaving like young boys. They want the young boys to behave like young girls.
You should look into the silicone breast implant debacle. Successful companies were bankrupted or brought to their knees because enough women said, “I was fine until I got my implants” and enough doctors and scientists fell into that logical fallacy that it took years to undo.
** There’s all the science and now the courts on one side**, and there’s your personal anecdotes on the other. Good luck with that.
Science and the courts… sounds like the first OJ trial. he never killed those people, did he Ken?
Are you on a personal mission to destroy what’s left of the intellectual integrity of this forum, or what?
As to autism, I don’t think the word “cause” is being used properly here. Autism “existed” long before vaccines; the concern was over whether or not the MMR vaccine triggered the expression of the disorder. The claim was meritless when it first surfaced, and remains so today.
I don’t expect the good crunchy moms of Ashland, Oregon, to change their beliefs one iota, though.
OK smart guy, similalry, cancer was around long before cigarettes. But are you suggesting that smoking 3 packer per day won’t have an impact on a persons likelihood of getting lung cancer?
Do the symptoms of autism just happen to start around the same time that vaccinations are given?
Is there more robust data than the two kids you saw?
I don’t give a crap what the courts say. There is a link. I’ve personally seen two instances of normal, bright, happy kids turn quiet, sullen, and into arm-flappers within a couple of months of getting their “cocktail” of drugs.
My wife has “taught” children with Autism for 8 years in our school system and I would not wish that affliction on anyone or any family. My daughter is 3-5 years away from giving us our first grandchild and even though my wife and I disagree on the link or lack thereof, we both agree when we tell our daughter to NOT get the cocktail and to have each vaccine delivered several months apart, just in case.
-Steven
as far as the forum’s intellectual integrity… this is the lavender room of a triathalon website… Not a think tank, a university or some research lab. this place never had intellectual integrity to begin with.
Also in the news recently:
MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece
"THE doctor who sparked the scare over the safety of the MMR vaccine for children changed and misreported results in his research, creating the appearance of a possible link with autism, a Sunday Times investigation has found.
Confidential medical documents and interviews with witnesses have established that Andrew Wakefield manipulated patients’ data, which triggered fears that the MMR triple vaccine to protect against measles, mumps and rubella was linked to the condition. "
There is a group in the UK trying to get Andrew Wakefield charged with manslaughter for publishing his make-believe data.
Yes, there is an increase in autism cases, but you cannot attribute this increase to vaccines. People are having children much later in life which increases the risk for all kinds of diseases, autism included. The austism spectrum is constantly changing, children that are diagnosed now would not necessarily be diagnosed with autism 40 years ago.
Of course it does. I was just addressing the usage of the word - perhaps it’s a distinction without a difference here.
The fact remains, there was never any solid evidence to support the MMR-Autism link. There is, however, a very strong link between the loss of herd immunity and outbreaks of those diseases.
anecdotal horror stories + children = madness
The article neglects to mention that he was preparing his own vaccine in response to his findings. That’s not the least bit conspicuous.
I also have to wonder if the age of the parents should be taken into account. It is no secret that women are waiting longer and longer to have children these days (do not have actual data, but this has been reported). I have many friends having their first children in their late 30’s-early 40’s. When I look to my parents generation, my Mom was done by the time she was 34. I think there has been a shift to wait in the past 20 years.